http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Is there a future for Scottish Labour? en Sun, 31 May 2026 19:34:26 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=3#post-231956 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:16:08 +0000 gembo 231956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wingpig - good strategy</p> <p>They let me in? Though maybe I left a big enough gap? Here is my history</p> <p>1983 Labour Party - 1 day (given row by Wendy Alexander, resigned)<br /> Socilaist Worker Student Society - 1983-86?<br /> Usual demos as non-aligned Trot friend of Socialist Organiser etc until about 1998. Sell out father of three until about 2014. Labour party member 2015 onwards.</p> <p>I loved Michael Foot, Smart 'Donkey Jacket' at Cenotaph, buy you a pint in pub in Plymouth. Not so keen on any of the next leaders of Labour (though soft spot for John Smith) but now JC what a guy. I must like my labour leaders to be left wing? This time maybe JC can persuade the youth? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=3#post-231954 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 10:56:51 +0000 wingpig 231954@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Will they drop their restrictions of preventing membership of anyone whose glance has ever grazed the social media content of another political party? Perhaps remove the platform from which Kezia and previously Jim have put people off and re-model Scottish Labour as the Scottish Jeremy Corbyn Appreciation Society, inverting what the Ruth Davidson Party of Scotland has done to attempt to distance itself from Westminster? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231949 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 10:35:36 +0000 I were right about that saddle 231949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would appear that Scotland is without a functioning Socialist party. Let's hope it can rescue/find/found one soon.</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tilaHV1DLdU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tilaHV1DLdU</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231947 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:59:37 +0000 chdot 231947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Labour in Scotland has failed to attract the same increase in membership as the rest of the country because young, left-wing voters have abandoned it for the SNP, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/young-left-wing-voters-have-abandoned-labour-for-the-snp-1-4240097" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/young-left-wing-voters-have-abandoned-labour-for-the-snp-1-4240097</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231946 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:55:58 +0000 chdot 231946@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Another day another car crash of an 
interview for Kezia Dugdale. After repeating her view that Jeremy Corbyn couldn’t win a general election straight after his re-election, Dugdale told BBC’s Sunday Politics that Corbyn could re-unite the party “if he really wants to,” and that unity matters more than negative opinions uttered previously, because “only a united Labour Party can defeat the Conservatives at the next elections”.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/lesley-riddoch-why-scottish-labour-must-back-independence-1-4240201" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/lesley-riddoch-why-scottish-labour-must-back-independence-1-4240201</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/paul-mason-calls-for-scottish-labour-members-to-back-independence-1-4239426" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/paul-mason-calls-for-scottish-labour-members-to-back-independence-1-4239426</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231893 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:11:46 +0000 gembo 231893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At folds i will send you the link to the consultation if you want (will take you an hour). It has some of the most truly breathtakingly leading questions of any consultation I have ever responded to.</p> <p>I said I did not believe in equity. (That will be just me then, unless you get annoyed too). I am against levelling playing field. I want it tilted the other way, like when Edinburgh uni assumed candidates with good highers from comp schools were cleverer than those from fee paying schools (they stopped doing that which is a shame)</p> <p>John swinney clever, he is just extracting the 50 per cent of council budgets that are spent on education to keep central. . I am big fan of attainment challenge in England and the copy cat one in Scotland but it is remarkable how head teachers are spending that money but not as remarkable as the graph with no info on the X axis or y axis but with two converging lines which shows the gap closing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231891 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:53:51 +0000 wee folding bike 231891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lino is just lying flat, I was quite surprised. They seem to have changed the recipe since we were kids and it curled up for a couple of years. I'm slightly worried about having shown the management that I can use a Stanley knife as she will now want me to do the lino in the Willibald von Gluck music room once we get the garage converted. The bike shed, also known as Heidi's alpine chalet, has the cheapest lino I could find. The Willibald von Gluck conservatory (or garage as it is just now) will be getting the expensive stuff and one slip of a Stanley knife could be disastrous.</p> <p>Stanley knifes have improved too.</p> <p>Seems to be more devolution of school resources, possibly to stop councils diverting them and blaming someone else. Direct management of resources has been going on for a while.</p> <p><a href="https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/john-swinney-devolve-education-decisions-school-level" rel="nofollow">https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/john-swinney-devolve-education-decisions-school-level</a></p> <p>And…</p> <p>"He ruled out a move to privately-run academies, selection or grammar schools – as Theresa May recently announced for England." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231889 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:43:29 +0000 crowriver 231889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"John swinney looking at academies or as we will call them MacAdemies"</p> <p>Macademia nuts shurely Shirley? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231886 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:28:51 +0000 chdot 231886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Ruth Davidson has pledged the Scottish Tories will represent the views of “moderate” New Labour supporters left disgruntled by the re-election of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-tories-appeal-to-new-labour-voters-1-4239836" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-tories-appeal-to-new-labour-voters-1-4239836</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231877 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:26:10 +0000 gembo 231877@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wee folds, you putting down a sheet of ply and then using billion wee nails to keep it flat then putting Lionel down?</p> <p>Theresa May has a tattoo? Is that true?</p> <p>JC is left of SNP John swinney looking at academies or as we will call them MacAdemies </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231873 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:39:31 +0000 wee folding bike 231873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bike shed lino cut but I did to the sound of Madness' Wonderful album as there was no Bryan Ferry on the iPod and the wifi doesn't reach the shed. Yet.</p> <p>I'll keep some of the off cuts to put under the 5 bike wheel bender which is in the post.</p> <p>I think Mrs May's argument fails on the 62% remain vote we got in Scotland but I might have missed something. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231872 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:13:55 +0000 ih 231872@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Mrs May has installed a high power reality distortion field which allows her to blame the SNP for Brexit."</p> <p>Her argument goes:</p> <p>The SNP is the establishment in Scotland<br /> The UK voted against the establishment when choosing Brexit<br /> The SNP is to blame for Brexit.</p> <p>Breathtaking chutzpah. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231868 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 13:01:18 +0000 wee folding bike 231868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hard to say where they are.</p> <p>Ruth and Fluffy seem to have done a 180 and say Brexit is an opportunity. </p> <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14737640.Tory_leader_Ruth_Davidson_highlights_Brexit__opportunities_/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14737640.Tory_leader_Ruth_Davidson_highlights_Brexit__opportunities_/</a></p> <p>And Kezia might, or might not have changed her mind on Mr Corbyn…</p> <p>“I don’t think Jeremy can unite our party and lead us into government. He cannot appeal to a broad enough section of voters to win an election.” (22 August 2016)</p> <p>“I believe that Jeremy can unite the Labour Party [and] win a general election.” (24 September 2016)</p> <p>Apparently she did an interview on the BBC this morning but I really don't want to watch it. It sounds like the one Ms Lamont did on tax policy which was uncomfortable to say the least.</p> <p>In other news Mrs May has installed a high power reality distortion field which allows her to blame the SNP for Brexit. Full article published next week. </p> <p><a href="https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/exclusive-snp-must-take-share-responsibility-brexit-vote-says-theresa-may" rel="nofollow">https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/exclusive-snp-must-take-share-responsibility-brexit-vote-says-theresa-may</a></p> <p>In any event should Kezia move Labour further right she's only going to be scrapping for voters who moved to the Tories in the last election. The ultimate outcome of an election would be much the same.</p> <p>I'm now going out to trim the lino in the new bike shed. It's 5x3 m and will replace the garage which is going to be a music room. I'll take a blue tooth speaker and some Bryan Ferry I think. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231865 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:59:11 +0000 chdot 231865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>She might be right. </p> <p>But is that right of Ruth?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231861 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:17:53 +0000 wee folding bike 231861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And Ms Dugdale seems to think the solution to Labour's problems in Scotland, outwith being even more autonomous than the last time she was autonomous, is to move further right. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231841 Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0000 wee folding bike 231841@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just needs to be more left than Labour.</p> <p>When this all started in July I was confused about the moderates rebelling. It turned out that's what Labour's right wing is called now. I find Mr Corbyn a wee bit moderate.</p> <p>Charitable status might be a reserved matter for HMRC.</p> <p>There is no need to be against Grammar schools here as nobody has proposed them.</p> <p>RC schools are unlikely to be changed by anyone just now. Many parents want them and there is a historical reason why they exist. You might not start off from the current position but it's where we are. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231835 Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:40:29 +0000 gembo 231835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Owen smith's people all seemed nice when they phoned me, even when I said I had voted JC. Possible the old left in labour are in SNP now for sure but would that not mean the SNP would be left wing? I mean left wing like JC against grammars, removing charitable status from independent school companies, making Scottish schools secular etc.? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231829 Sat, 24 Sep 2016 17:15:30 +0000 wee folding bike 231829@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I heard that the other guy… Owen someone, polled higher than Mr Corbyn in Scotland. </p> <p>That could be because the left wing of Labour here has left and gone elsewhere I suppose although, outwith Ms Dugdale, Labour here are against Trident. 'Tis a puzzlement.</p> <p>It's also possible some people forgot to vote. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-231824 Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:13:35 +0000 Ed1 231824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Jeremy Corbyn re elected seems a good day for democracy with new labour so keen to undermine the process charging people to vote and what not </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224282 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:44:39 +0000 HankChief 224282@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IWRATS: it gets more suspicious... The Roseburn Opinion piece has now been added to the transport section after @cb mentioned it was missing... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224281 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:38:38 +0000 I were right about that saddle 224281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just realised that of course Ms Dugdale cycles in Edinburgh....and reads this forum.</p> <p>Doh! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224278 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:58:59 +0000 I were right about that saddle 224278@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Scottish Labour doing something interesting and useful;</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/scottish-labour-seeks-possibility-federal-uk-brexit-aftermath" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/scottish-labour-seeks-possibility-federal-uk-brexit-aftermath</a></p> <p>Doomed to failure as the EU is a union of nation states - even I know that. But it's a good start. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224253 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:05:06 +0000 I were right about that saddle 224253@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Roibeard</p> <p>Spookier than Hogwarts. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224251 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:00:29 +0000 Roibeard 224251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IwratS - the power of CCE, as the link now appears to be our own Daily Record, rather than the NJ one.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224245 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:20:19 +0000 kaputnik 224245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>She should check the internet or it'll look like she's accusing him of lying in his intent-to-vote tweet:</em></p> <p>I think it stems from a report from a Labour MP (who else) claiming that in person that Jezza refused to say he had voted Remain (tweet or otherwise). So I think your comment that "it'll look like she's accusing him of lying" is exactly what some people are getting at.</p> <p>I did see an amusing reply from someone along the lines of "while everyone in the PLP is knifing eachother in the back, Kezia gets stuck in with a foam sword" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224242 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:55:42 +0000 I were right about that saddle 224242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Never underestimate Ms Dugdale's ability to overlook a detail. Her own Twitter profile claims that she's a columnist for the Moot County, New Jersey Daily Record;</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/kezdugdale" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/kezdugdale</a></p> <p>Suspect I'm the only person who's ever clicked on that link... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224241 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:48:36 +0000 Cyclingmollie 224241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But Corbyn, where has he been?</p> <p>Hiding...? </em></p> <p>The BBC's preference seemed to be: Farage, Johnson, Cameron, Gove, anyone else. Perhaps if he'd had an appealing counter-narrative but then I got used to despairing of hearing a left-wing counter-argument succinctly and winningly put back in Kinnock's time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224240 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:46:08 +0000 wingpig 224240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Kezia Dugdale is publicly tweeting for Jeremy Corbyn to clarify his position on whether he voted Leave or Remain."</em></blockquote></p> <p>She should check the internet or it'll look like she's accusing him of lying in his intent-to-vote tweet:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720</a></p> <p>Jeremy Corbyn MP ‏@jeremycorbyn · Jun 23 </p> <p>I'm just on my way to my polling station to vote #Remain for jobs, workers' rights &amp; for our NHS #LabourInForBritain </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224238 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:09:30 +0000 kaputnik 224238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Kezia Dugdale is publicly tweeting for Jeremy Corbyn to clarify his position on whether he voted Leave or Remain.</p> <p>Someone ought to take all the computers and mobile devices off of Labour MPs and MSPs until they've sorted this all out. None of it is helping. </p> <p>When your house is on fire, you don't fan the flames. Unless you're the Labour party in which case you apparently pour on petrol and then go back in the house. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16581&page=2#post-224234 Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:01:44 +0000 cb 224234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Suggestions on Twitter that Corbyn's Leave vote will have cancelled Johnson's Remain vote. </p>