http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Proposed Grange Road cycle and pedestrian crossings" en Sat, 30 May 2026 01:19:09 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-356852 Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:54:41 +0000 chdot 356852@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Video here</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/johnrobson87/status/1460332987900473347" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/johnrobson87/status/1460332987900473347</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-356851 Tue, 16 Nov 2021 03:40:29 +0000 CycleAlex 356851@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The new crossing has finally been switched on completing a nice upgrade to QR6. The lights also change instantly which is handy - wonder if that'll stick around... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354359 Mon, 06 Sep 2021 14:23:14 +0000 gembo 354359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@stickman, the hope is you cannot extrapolate to reality but the worry is a lot of people got some bad stuff in their brains and feel entitled to let you know. The banjo player in the band I am in feels compelled to take them on. I like to show some support for him from time to time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354354 Mon, 06 Sep 2021 11:52:56 +0000 Stickman 354354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo: reading those Facebook comments reminds me why I don’t read Facebook comments. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354352 Mon, 06 Sep 2021 10:43:57 +0000 jonty 354352@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Zebra crossing has been in for a while and is looking great. Really helps with crossing the road at busy times. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354327 Sat, 04 Sep 2021 19:04:55 +0000 gembo 354327@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@srd, I may have joined up some gammon steaks here and added a pineapple ring. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354326 Sat, 04 Sep 2021 18:54:14 +0000 SRD 354326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>eh? I haven't been through since it finished but can't see how it holds up ambulances? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=3#post-354323 Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:04:29 +0000 gembo 354323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Council getting tons of flak on their home page about this crossing. Usual EEN stuff - ambulances not getting through, posh area, traffic jams, cyclists to pay road tax et cetera et cetera et cetera </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-354320 Sat, 04 Sep 2021 11:44:36 +0000 neddie 354320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That’s pretty good. It creates a pseudo modal filter at Tantalon Pl </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-354307 Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:32:43 +0000 CycleAlex 354307@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>TRO drawings for the Tantallon Place crossing (last page): <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/29901/existing-and-proposed-plans" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/29901/existing-and-proposed-plans</a></p> <p>The only particular change is that just north and south of the crossing is one way southbound. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-353202 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:49:48 +0000 gembo 353202@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very modern Zebra indeed</p> <p>Like in the old days when people went on trips to use Zebra Crossings, well worth a look.</p> <p>Abbey Road Zebra Crossing famously predicted death of The Beatles? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-353200 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:31:35 +0000 CycleAlex 353200@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The zebra crossing at Lover's Loan is complete. No major progress on the crossing at Lauder Road yet, seems there's some sort of Scottish Power issue. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-351037 Wed, 26 May 2021 20:41:56 +0000 CycleAlex 351037@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Progress! Construction is starting on 14/06.</p> <p>A mere 4 years, 8 months and 14 days after <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-grange-road/">consultation</a> (for what's essentially a zebra crossing and a toucan). Barnstorming. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273355 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:09:27 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273355@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lovers' Loan is really too narrow and hemmed-in to be a cycle route. It could be widened by compulsory purchase of slices of the Grange's back gardens but the universe would be subject to heat death before the court cases were finished. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273354 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:03:05 +0000 bruce_mcadam 273354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks like improvements for walking on Lovers Loan. Potentially my daughter might cycle there, not sure how easy passing the 'improved barriers' will be (I don't expect to use that route with the Follow-me).</p> <p>I still don't like the offset cycle crossing of Grange Road at Lauder Road, although the presence of the crossing will move parked vehicles further from the junction and improve visibility when riding north on the carriageway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273353 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:23:12 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Roibeard</p> <p>Ah well, glad to hear this scheme suits you. I think I've said before but I go Hatton, Tantallon, Cumin, Dick, Findhorn, Relugas and never encounter any bams at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273349 Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:29:49 +0000 Roibeard 273349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I routinely get close/punishment passes on Lauder Road.</p> <p>I know that's crazy as, even if parked on both sides, the road is wide enough to pass safely, yet I have the video to prove it.</p> <p>For that reason, I'm in favour of unidirectional, parking protected cycle tracks on this Quiet Route!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273339 Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:55:07 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Kilgraston? I was thinking of that as a combat zone. Can be horrible and of course it's the Marchmont to KB corridor of my youth.</p> <p>Can'see anyone wiggling down Lovers' Lane if they're steaming to a lecture. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273338 Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:45:25 +0000 chdot 273338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apart from the busy (especially at school times) road through the middle.</p> <p>Nearest school has about highest walk/cycle levels in Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273336 Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:41:32 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't see any harm in these proposals but I can't see much point either, other than those blasted chicanes in Lovers' Loan getting zapped at long last.</p> <p>The Grange is about the easiest on-road cycling going. Hardly a priority compared to the combat zones on either side of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-273332 Mon, 22 Jan 2018 19:25:51 +0000 chdot 273332@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Cycling and walking improvements on Grange Road - Final Design </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cycling-and-walking-grange-rd-fd/consult_view/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cycling-and-walking-grange-rd-fd/consult_view/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-246673 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:22:26 +0000 bruce_mcadam 246673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented? </blockquote></p> <p>Sort of. They replied to my written comments with a copy and paste of how the plans will be altered. </p> <p>It will be more interesting to see how they are changing the plans (particularly Lauder/Grange junction) once they are published.</p> <p>(The report makes interesting reading, and a nice contrast from Evening News comments as the anti-cycle responses are a very small minority and quietly dismissed). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-246665 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:33:49 +0000 chdot 246665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-246646 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:09:27 +0000 Klaxon 246646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-grange-road/consult_view" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-grange-road/consult_view</a></p> <p><strong>Lover’s Loan</strong> - Design drawings of the changes shall be made available (see note below)<br /> o A raised table at the zebra crossing will be included in the design.<br /> o To improve access to the whole of Lover’s Loan we shall:<br /> o alter the chicanes so that they are be accessible by double pushchairs and<br /> wheelchairs.<br /> o add dropped kerbs at all entrances to the path.<br /> o remove parking spaces which overlap the path entrances.<br /> o add informal raised table for crossings on every road which bisects the path.<br /> o To improve sightlines around the crossing and we shall consider altering the bus stops either side of the Lauder Road crossing.</p> <p><strong>Lauder Road </strong>- Design drawings of the changes shall be made available (see note below)<br /> o A raised table at the crossing will be included in the design.<br /> o The informal pedestrian crossing point of Lauder Road shall be moved to desire line of<br /> the footway.<br /> o To re-enforce the pedestrian priority at Lauder Road, the cycleway shall be stopped at the edge of the building line/pavement of Grange Road. At this point, give-way markings<br /> shall be added at to the cycleway so that pedestrians have priority and to ensure cyclists slow down and check traffic before entering the crossing.<br /> o To make it safer for cyclists entering the crossing from Lauder Road, we shall extend the cycleway and pavement to 20m from the junction. This will make the entry point safer as it is further from the junction, which is a more dynamic environment. We shall also include a refuge island for cyclists and pedestrians in the centre of Lauder Road (to the south of the proposed crossing). This will help cyclists and pedestrians to get across Lauder Road to the crossing. To achieve this, we will have to move the bus stop on Lauder Road slightly to the south and remove four parking bays.<br /> o To improve sightlines around the crossing and we shall consider altering the bus stops either side of the Lauder Road crossing.</p> <p><strong>Tantallon Place</strong> - Design drawings of the changes shall be made available (see note<br /> below)<br /> o A raised table at the crossing will be included in the design.<br /> o To increase pedestrian priority and create a more pedestrian friendly space that is particular safer for children going to school, we shall implement a continuous footway across the Tantallon Place and Cumin Place. The cycleway shall be delineated with edging stones that are flush to the pavement level and with give way markings where the cycleway meets the pavement so that pedestrians have priority.<br /> o In order to improve the crossing alignment for pedestrians and cyclists and reduce potential for conflict the left turn out of Cumin Place and the right turn out of Tantallon Place shall be banned. </p> <p>All the above changes will be shown in detailed design drawings which are currently being<br /> developed. When completed these shall be made available for consultation. Notification of the<br /> consultation shall be sent to all those who have expressed interest and all homeowners are<br /> directly affected by these further proposed changes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-234015 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:05:59 +0000 ih 234015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok I completed this but with a heavy heart and with a sense that I was moaning. The planned crossings in my view have vehicular priority stamped all over them, and the need for cyclists and pedestrians to cross over the side roads to reach the Grange Road crossings just offends me. Surely there is a design which allows pedestrians and bikes to cross in a more natural way. I believe Lauder Road and Tantallon Place are quiet enough not to need specific cycling tracks, but ways to cross Grange Road without having to be diverted into why is essentially a pedestrian facility are desperately needed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-234004 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:57:43 +0000 Roibeard 234004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Having given it some detailed thought, I've had to strongly oppose the Lauder Road "improvements".</p> <p>The new cycle tracks give way to everybody, expect exiting cyclists to have 270 degree vision (in order to give way to everybody) and move cyclists closer to the sightline blocking walls and parked SUVs/vans.</p> <p>I've suggested that rather than attempt to give priority to pedestrians without changing the vehicular priority, the simpler approach may be to change the vehicular priority - make Grange Road give way to Lauder Road.</p> <p>Pedestrians can then more easily cross Grange Road as a side street, and with flow cycle lanes could be provided on each side across the junction. These could be protected by a kerb for 10m before and after Grange Road, thus forcing drivers turning into the new side street to slow and cross the cycle lane more at right angles (to place straight on cyclists in front of them, rather than to the side).</p> <p>No doubt this will be rejected as impacting traffic flow too much, although two zebra crossings close to each other will do a reasonable job of that alone...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-234002 Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:43:28 +0000 shuggiet 234002@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Late to it, but completed comments largely using the good points raised above...Closes today. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-232769 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:23:58 +0000 neddie 232769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Consultation now closes on the 14th. Still a bit of time, but why not do it now, so you don't forget?</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-grange-road/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-grange-road/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-230913 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:59:08 +0000 bruce_mcadam 230913@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've filled it in now. Lovers Loan by foot and Lauder Road by bike are our main routes into town. I can't see myself ever using the Lauder Road/Grange Road crossing northbound, and even accessing it by foot from the west side of the junction will not be easy unless you cross at the junction itself (the width of Lauder Road makes it difficult to cross, esp with baby buggy). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16604&page=2#post-230862 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:43:14 +0000 Fountainbridge 230862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the drawings had big bold text, clearly stating the no. of parking spaces lost &amp; the no. gained</em></p> <p>I had to go back and check the title of this thread - I could have sworn the statement also applicable to MacDonald Road.</p> <p>Think both are by the same set of consultants who have probably been given £x and have simply drawn a few straight lines on a map. </p>