http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: McDonald Road improvements - consultation en Tue, 19 May 2026 13:44:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246739 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:34:28 +0000 Rob 246739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Skimming through the responses I see all suggestions to address the issue at pinch points got the "The Council<br /> has to work within available budgets" response. Unsurprising, though somewhat disappointing the budget isn't available.</p> <p>Hopefully they have a long term plan to provide an 8-80 link which involves the Powderhall line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246738 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:31:13 +0000 crowriver 246738@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rob, yeah pretty sure I asked for the build-outs to be fixed so cyclists have cut-throughs all the way. Alas, looks like it's not going to happen and we will be "human traffic-calming devices" for the foreseeable... :-(</p> <p>Junction with Leith Walk *should* be improved soon too.</p> <p>Of course, none of this would be needed much (apart from local access) if they'd just convert the now disused Powderhall railway line into a shared use path to link up with NEPN... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246710 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:39:38 +0000 Klaxon 246710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>AECOM's scope seems to be to make low cost interventions and 'fixing' McDonald Rd was never really in question.</p> <p>I'm glad the Broughton Rd junction is being fixed, I'm really pleased to see more continuous pavement in the city, but the rest of the plans are just fixing the paint up to what it should have been when the <em>current</em> era of cycle facilities went in </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246702 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:02:12 +0000 Rob 246702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good changes but, unless I'm misunderstanding, none of it helps with this: <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.964615,-3.1863762,3a,75y,306.65h,54.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRi5GLW5JSDU55cNRJxbuvg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en">streetview</a> (or the next one down).</p> <p>This is very weak for what will be a link between NEPN and the EW segregation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246679 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:47:14 +0000 crowriver 246679@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Certainly seems to be a significant improvement on the prior proposals. Very positive.</p> <p>Can't actually recall what I asked for in detail, but I do remember the junction with Broughton Road needed sorting out: seems they have paid attention.</p> <p>Good stuff!</p> <p>EDIT: Found my comments in the report. Seems I was trying really hard to be constructive and positive: extra Brownie points earned then. :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246661 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:32:06 +0000 chdot 246661@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-246641 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:59:45 +0000 Klaxon 246641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view/</a></p> <p>Changes to be included:<br />  Full signalisation of the Broughton Rd/McDonald Rd junction.<br />  A zebra crossing to second school entrance on McDonald Rd by Blandfield<br />  Junction tightening and continuous footways across Bellvue Road, McDonald St,<br /> Papermill Wynd, Blandfield and Hopetoun Cresent.<br />  A tiger crossing (a Zebra crossing that can also be also by cyclists) McDonald Road at Dryden Terrace and Hopetoun Street.<br />  New tree planting, where possible at junction tightening/continuous footways.<br />  General de-cluttering of signs and street furniture, including removing ‘keep left’ bollards’ at build outs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-235223 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:04:11 +0000 Klaxon 235223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Signals on every leg means that it should be a big improvement for bikes too. Look forward to seeing the revised plans.</p> <p>McDonald Rd at large is somewhat beyond sorting if, as suggested to me by Cllr Lewis Richie, the trees protecting the segregated parking bays are an immovable force. Fixing that is a much, much more expensive proposition. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-235221 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:53:22 +0000 jonty 235221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If it's being signalised then they can put in a full Dutch-style junctiohahahaha </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-235217 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:26:14 +0000 Rob 235217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I spoke about this to a council officer at the Lower Granton Road consultation. He said they had feedback that the road was hard to cross for pedestrians accessing the school so they were planning on signalising the junction, which should make it much better for cycling too.</p> <p>I also mentioned the conflict caused by cycle lane + general traffic lane being squeezed through pinch points. It didn't seem like anything was likely to happen on that front. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-229236 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:55:20 +0000 Klaxon 229236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm trying to get an ear to talk improvements - both achievable in the scope of this scheme and also a more flagship change to go on the waiting list </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-229223 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:28:08 +0000 wingpig 229223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Not much done here."</em></blockquote></p> <p>The paint gives out before reaching this end, where the steepening slope and westward flick of the end of the road are not addressed in the slightest. I tried to cite other situations/consultations/workshops in my response. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-229216 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:07:01 +0000 ih 229216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't get too motivated about this. Some welcome improvements along McDonald Road itself, but the main issue is the junction at Broughton Road and getting to and from St Mark's Path. Not much done here. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-229206 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:59:42 +0000 c30c60 229206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Erob - Oops, thanks for reposting! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-229205 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:55:07 +0000 Rob 229205@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From c30c60 on another thread:</p> <p><em>"A reminder that the Mcdonald Rd consultation closes on 4 Sep. (How do I create a neat text link?)<br /> <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view</a></p> <p>I don't see anything that will make the road more pleasant and I was slipping into ranty style by the end. "</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226443 Fri, 05 Aug 2016 08:37:45 +0000 fimm 226443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"one in Mid Calder"</em> where? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226441 Fri, 05 Aug 2016 08:31:19 +0000 gembo 226441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The one in mid Calder works well. </p> <p>The one in drylaw has a car parked right at it. So you can't use it which is good as it is like the ones ChDot describes </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226439 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 22:06:43 +0000 ih 226439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The bypass going SEast on McD Road is in good condition; I always use it.</p> <p>Whisper it though, those bypasses are actually identical to floating stops, and they're positioned at crossings too. If they're acceptable, well... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226438 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 21:02:30 +0000 Klaxon 226438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unambitious and fails the 'would you take your kids down here' test </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226388 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:24:42 +0000 chdot 226388@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Where space permits, a cycle bypass should be provided, as shown in Figure 4.4, to avoid the cyclist being impeded by adjacent motor vehicles"</p> <p>Good idea!</p> <p>McD Rd has a sample!</p> <p>Most bypasses I have ever seen are absurdly narrow and usually full of grit, grass and glass! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226386 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:19:47 +0000 Rob 226386@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>While looking for a Dutch example, I happened upon this: <a href="http://www.transport.gov.scot/report/j185500-04.htm#pinchpoints" rel="nofollow">http://www.transport.gov.scot/report/j185500-04.htm#pinchpoints</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226368 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:57:52 +0000 ih 226368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I also echo that the main problem for me is at the McDonald Road/Broughton Road junction, and getting to and from St Mark's path. Basically this hasn't changed.</p> <p>What would the Dutch do in this situation? Can't help thinking they would do it better. It would probably look like zebra-type crossings from either McDonald Road pavement going across to the north side of Broughton Road, and cycle-only lights that allowed cyclists to cross directly from the McD Road cycle lanes to and from the path, with all motorised vehicles stopped. Pedestrians would have absolute priority so a cyclist exiting McD Road who wanted to turn into Broughton Road would have to give way to any pedestrians on the zebra. Probably not compliant with British road traffic law though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226366 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:51:44 +0000 dougal 226366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tried to fill in the survey but ragequit out of frustration with the questions. I seriously need to explain my view that I would like better walking infrastructure? Are pedestrians some alien entity that the council don't know how to deal with? Do they not have legs themselves? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226362 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:39:20 +0000 kaputnik 226362@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I echo the comments above. While it's nice to get the missing bypasses to the buildouts put in, apart from that it's just more paint and a rather confusing solution at the Powderhall end to get to the St. Marks Path.</p> <p>I had also expected some improvements to be part of this scheme along Brunswick Road from the original advertising for the scheme, can't see anything to that effect here, maybe that's some distant, far-off masterplan. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226358 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:28:45 +0000 Rob 226358@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nothing in this plan will convince me to return to McDonald Road.</p> <p>Downhill, all the conflict points are maintained and I'm really not convinced by the detail at the bottom (the crossover section from a scalextric track springs to mind).</p> <p>Uphill, while the extra bypasses are nice, I really hoped we were progressing beyond painting narrow lanes next to parked cars.</p> <p>The "Total spaces gained" hints at how compromised this is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226347 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:06:34 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 226347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not that impressed :(</p> <p>Have filled the survey with hopefully constructive suggestions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226328 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:35:59 +0000 crowriver 226328@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Survey duly completed! :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226320 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:00:03 +0000 crowriver 226320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for posting: I've been waiting for this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16685#post-226319 Thu, 04 Aug 2016 08:56:56 +0000 Stickman 226319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thought this should have its own thread. Consultation pages here:</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-mcdonald-road/consult_view</a> </p>