http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Strictly come Liability en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:57:43 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16818 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:03:11 +0000 Cyclingmollie 16818@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Arellcat, another unused approach might be to counter the absence of "malice aforethought" in cases where motorists are prosecuted for colliding with cyclists by checking the driver's computer for evidence of anti-cylist vitriol. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16804 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:09:15 +0000 gembo 16804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More people than cars means there is still a market to exploit -check out China. Cyclists are the minority on the roads, and tonight's traffic was a disgrace, survived two near misses with vehicles deciding they were in a lane they didn't like [due to the queues] one at longstone and really bad one at Gillespies. Swore twice. HAd another near miss last night as the guy was going straight on but didn't fancy waiting til car ahead turned right and he undertook it in the left lane (left turn only) and then came back into the middle just as I made it to safety on the right. Do not tell my partner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16795 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:02:27 +0000 Matchstickwarrior 16795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only rough figures:<br /> UK population somewhere between 60-65 million, so potentially 60-65 million pedestrians.<br /> Number of cars on the road, about 22 million.</p> <p>At the most basic level of our political system, surely government policy should favour the majority, not the minority (or those who have the most money to splash on lobbying). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16774 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:52:32 +0000 Arellcat 16774@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On a related note, in November last year The Cycling Lawyer posted a breakdown of some car-bike traffic incidents and a <a href="http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2009/11/cycling-against-car-culture.html">fairly scathing assessment</a> of the legal process.</p> <p>I thought this comment was particularly interesting:<br /> <em>"This is a brilliant article, which would make a good argument if a case should be brought in the European COurt of Human Rights against the UK Goverment for its (fairly obvious) failure to protect the right to life of vulnerable road users."</em></p> <p>We've debated on here before about dangerous <em>roads</em> vs. dangerous road <em>users</em>. How far might the UK be prepared to go to ensure the safety of the vulnerable? We hear a lot about fuel poverty and the elderly. What about cyclists and their armour poverty? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16760 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:26:14 +0000 chdot 16760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://ukcyclerules.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/strict-liability-and-legal-protection-for-cyclists" rel="nofollow">http://ukcyclerules.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/strict-liability-and-legal-protection-for-cyclists</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16391 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:13:19 +0000 rosscbrown 16391@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So if car insurance will be going up, my Public Liability insurance will be coming down? This is how it works right? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16389 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:09:28 +0000 chdot 16389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> A DRUNK driver who collided with another car left his victim trapped as he fled the scene for fear of "getting into trouble"</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Drunk-driver-fled-accident.6620322.jp" rel="nofollow">http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Drunk-driver-fled-accident.6620322.jp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16387 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:40:39 +0000 steveo 16387@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm all for strict liability but it only helps if the driver bothers to stop which I think we've seen of late is fairly rare. </p> <p>Personally i think this comes back to the litigation culture we've developed. Personally i don't care who's to blame i'd sooner not go under the wheels of a car than know that it doesn't matter i'll get a new bike out of it... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16384 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:30:45 +0000 wingpig 16384@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"The Daily Telegraph had the most rounded coverage, with views aired on all sides"</em> is the only thing which surprises me there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16381 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:53:42 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 16381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I really do despair when seemingly intelligent people come out with that sort of bile. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1670#post-16380 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:46:07 +0000 Arellcat 16380@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Teh internets is ablaze this morning with the fury of poor set-upon motorists.</p> <p><a href="http://twitter.com/carltonreid">@carltonreid</a> - Bile from UK motoring journalists</p> <p>BikeBiz - <a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/motoring-lobby-furious-about-eu-plans-to-protect-cyclists-britis">Motoring lobby furious about EU plans to protect cyclists</a></p> <p>Meanwhile in Oregon:<br /> BikePortland - <a href="http://bikeportland.org/2010/11/09/would-strict-liability-help-curb-americas-distracted-driving-habit-42432">Would Strict Liability help curb America's distracted driving habit?</a></p> <p>And from the Grauniad eight years ago - <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/aug/04/politics.transport">Driver fury over Euro cycle laws</a> and <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/aug/05/transport.world">Two wheels good, four wheels bad: plan to make drivers liable in all accidents</a> </p>