http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh's Cycling Budget - how's it spent? en Tue, 19 May 2026 17:49:20 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-264539 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:11:04 +0000 Ed1 264539@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>no is there is a link </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-264535 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:26:16 +0000 neddie 264535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Has anyone yet seen the budget commitment to cycling for the year 2017/2018 ? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-241114 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:43:37 +0000 Stickman 241114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/50113/item_77_-_9_budget_commitment_to_cycling" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/50113/item_77_-_9_budget_commitment_to_cycling</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/52207/item_77_-_8_budget_commitment_to_cycling" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/52207/item_77_-_8_budget_commitment_to_cycling</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-241113 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:35:04 +0000 crowriver 241113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Would be interesting to see a detailed account of the budget."</p> <p>There's an annual report on this to Transport &amp; Environment Committee. Haven't got the link but try searching CEC web site. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-241112 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:52:12 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 241112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well they're not spending it on lighting that's for sure. Practically all the lights out on the cycle path from Craigleith to Silverknowes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-241110 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:24:59 +0000 Fountainbridge 241110@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would be interesting to see a detailed account of the budget.</p> <p>I'm hearing that any road project from street sweeping, gully cleaning, lines being painted, potholes, traffic light upgrades etc all having a portion charged back to the cycling budget.</p> <p>"We need to fix the gully's on x street but we don't have any spare cash in the road budget"</p> <p>"That's OK, we'll take it out the cycling budget. Cyclists use that section of the road" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-241001 Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:44:07 +0000 chdot 241001@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>We’re also blazing a trail with our annually-increasing investment in cycling infrastructure (nine per cent of the transport budget in 2016/17, or around £1.4 million). Car ownership is falling, while cycle use is now estimated at over 7.3 per cent of journeys to work, up more than 50 per cent from 2011. Meanwhile, our counts suggest that walking is also continuing to grow as a way of getting around the city.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/lesley-hinds-everyone-has-a-right-to-a-little-breathing-space-1-4338981" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/lesley-hinds-everyone-has-a-right-to-a-little-breathing-space-1-4338981</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227277 Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:07:34 +0000 acsimpson 227277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Generally the local SNP councillors seem to be pro development &amp; pro car."</em></p> <p>Unless the development falls into their own ward in which case they suddenly become insecure and join the nimbys </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227252 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:48:17 +0000 Fountainbridge 227252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Isn't the 10% allocated to active travel (i.e. walking aswell as cycling),</em></p> <p>As far as I know it's cycling specific.</p> <p>Pedestrian stuff comes out of the other 90% of transport budget.</p> <p>Generally the local SNP councillors seem to be pro development &amp; pro car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227218 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:56:07 +0000 crowriver 227218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let's not forget Edinburgh is actually doing really well on cycling compared to most coal authorities. Maybe the new competition from Glasgow re: cycling infrastructure will lead to Edinburgh upping its game and being less complacent? One can only hope.</p> <p>OTOH if the SNP win a majority of councillors next year all bets are off. Rather depends which kind of Snippers get in: will they be 'Tartan Tories' or 'Progressive Nationalists'? What will their attitude be towards planning issues and infrastructure spending? The recent change of SNP group leader does not inspire confidence regarding the local party's stance on cycling... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227217 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:48:43 +0000 Rob 227217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Isn't the 10% allocated to active travel (i.e. walking aswell as cycling), so can be spent on footpaths, ped crossings, etc? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227215 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:27:34 +0000 sallyhinch 227215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As someone who can get lost in Manhattan, there can never be too much signage. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227214 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:17:56 +0000 Rosie 227214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I quite like the signage. What really bugs me is spending money on "cycling promotion" i.e. posters &amp; publicity to use bad infrastructure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227212 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:13:43 +0000 stiltskin 227212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The proliferation of signage is a particular bugbear of mine. An awful lot of it seems unnecessary and designed to use up the budget. I'd much rather they save up the money &amp; build something useful. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227206 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:59:36 +0000 sallyhinch 227206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the benefits is that it means they have people in post who can design cycling infrastructure and they can plan long term (Phil Noble mentioned at the last Cycling Scotland conference that it was the 10% commitment that meant they could start work on designing routes like the East WEst route, knowing it would be controversial, because they had time to keep chipping away at it). In D&amp;G they don't even have enough staff left who have the skills to put in bids for Sustrans money (just ordinary community links bids, you can forget about anything ambitious), so they lose out on those opportunities, which Edinburgh and Glasgow can then hoover up. And it's not just capital money either - Edinburgh grits and clears its cycle routes, unlike most local authorities in Scotland. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227195 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:15:23 +0000 neddie 227195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The cycle budget has also been used to resurface bus stops ( heavily damaged by buses of course). 1/3 of the costs of resurfacing have come from the cycle budget, as 1/3 of the stop consists of a cycle lane (even though bikes don't damage the surface). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227190 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:48:14 +0000 PS 227190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The commitment to spend x% of the transport budget on cycling is a good thing, but it must run up against the issue of the sheer length of time it takes to get the relevant authority to make any substantive interventions (cf, how long it's going to take to get the Roseburn to Leith/George Street redesign through consultations, due procedure, etc to construction). </p> <p>There may be issues in the early years of this commitment that there is more money allocated to cycling than can be spent on what we would consider significant improvements, so it is instead used for easier items (signage, beautification) and stuff that may have a cycling link, but are perhaps more active travel in nature - tactiles, access and accessibility. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227188 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:46:34 +0000 Fountainbridge 227188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I also wonder how well the 10% is ring fenced. </p> <p>Think it was the A71/Ratho/Dalmahoy junction where about 1/3 of the cost of upgrading the junction with traffic lights was to come out of the cycle budget. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227185 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:36:01 +0000 ih 227185@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Morningsider. I'll get down to working my way through it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227184 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:30:26 +0000 Stickman 227184@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ih: very good questions and I've been wondering that today as well. Other than the short section of segregated path between the Meadows and the Innocent it's difficult to point to any real solid projects so far. </p> <p>Small point: the wall at 5-ways wasnt funded by the cycling budget, it was a charity that paid for it (can't remember which one) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227182 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:27:43 +0000 Morningsider 227182@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ih - this Council report sets out what you are after:</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/50113/item_77_-_9_budget_commitment_to_cycling" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/50113/item_77_-_9_budget_commitment_to_cycling</a></p> <p>The 10% expenditure on cycling is unique for a local authority in Scotland, probably the UK. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16731#post-227181 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:23:04 +0000 ih 227181@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This post betrays my lack of knowledge about funding for cycling infrastructure - and it's kind of linked to other threads, such as the Roseburn/Leith, and Glasgow's success in the Sustrans/SG competition. </p> <p>But it seems to me that Edinburgh's 10% of the transport budget is by Scottish standards quite good (although more always welcome) but what do we get for the money? Are there any details out there on what exactly the cycling budget buys?</p> <p>Sometimes I feel that things are done merely to get the money spent rather than doing the more difficult things which would actually benefit cycling. So, for example, the existing off road infrastructure is signposted to death. I don't think much signing is very useful, and some of it is a downright eyesore. Then we get a little stone wall built part way round 5-ways. And we get tactiles and rumbles everywhere, where other authorities wouldn't necessarily bother.</p> <p>And in other infra projects, lower Leith Walk for example, I'd be interested to know how much of the whole project cost was allocated to the cycling budget for the on road cycle lane (which imo is pretty good as an intermediate measure).</p> <p>I just feel that there ought to be enough in the existing budget for projects like Roseburn/Leith without having to rely on winning a competition. But is information available on the detail of how the budget is spent? </p>