http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Meanwhile in Ayrshire en Tue, 19 May 2026 11:26:14 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-239421 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:45:06 +0000 Stickman 239421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pedestrian killed on Holmston Road:</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38364428" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38364428</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234822 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:20:45 +0000 HankChief 234822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/NCB9rk"><img src="https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5534/30606662485_f69e848ffb_z.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/NCB9rk">Too close... <a href="https://youtu.be/y_bD90n-Io8" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/y_bD90n-Io8</a></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234821 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:20:16 +0000 gembo 234821@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Shocker. Follows the car in front which was already dodgy.. Which is often the way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234819 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:10:53 +0000 Greenroofer 234819@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@HC OMG </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234812 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:17:30 +0000 HankChief 234812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who needs segregated routes anyway...</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/y_bD90n-Io8" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/y_bD90n-Io8</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234811 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:13:19 +0000 Frenchy 234811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I hope everyone who feels confident doing so now takes a very strong primary position when they cycle down that road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234804 Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:18:59 +0000 Stickman 234804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lane has been torn up</p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/keithirving1/status/791674416799346688" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/keithirving1/status/791674416799346688</a></p> <p><em>Holmston Road dedicated cycle lane in Ayr removed this week at huge cost &amp; against professional advice &amp; all policy. Very disappointing. </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234438 Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:39:27 +0000 crowriver 234438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Work strts to rip it out on Monday. "</p> <p>Depressing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-234428 Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:37:20 +0000 gembo 234428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just back from Ayr. My sister who Has good knowledge of the council estimates that the segregated path was doubtless in a plan that the councillors approved, either without looking at detail or they have subsequently forgotten they had agreed this. Though no consultation with the locals. The blue stretches are signalling where someone needs to get into their drive, the floating bus stops looked good. The cemetery across the road has a car park but people don't use it and park on the other side of the road (no yellow lines) which then blocks the street. This could be rectified by a sign saying use car park and double yellows. Apparently craigie college students all drive to this street and park for free crossing the river to the university.</p> <p>Work strts to rip it out on Monday. As I have often said in he past feckin' Ayr. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233493 Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:54:18 +0000 Stickman 233493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/blog/when-vision-cycling-stalls-reflecting-tough-decisions" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustrans.org.uk/blog/when-vision-cycling-stalls-reflecting-tough-decisions</a></p> <p><em>We will reflect and learn because, frankly, without segregated, coherent, attractive and direct cycle routes, we can’t unlock the clean, green and healthy transport we need.</p> <p>Vision and leadership in times like these go a long way, this will be vital as we progress the successful Community Link Plus scheme in Glasgow and other schemes around Scotland.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233348 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:49:58 +0000 Blueth 233348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It will be interesting to see if the first cyclist injured by a motorist after they remove the cycle lane will sue the Council on the obvious grounds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233310 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 12:44:00 +0000 crowriver 233310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"What was wrong with the lane anyway? What had it changed for people driving along that road? "</p> <p>It gave drivers the impression that they DID NOT OWN THE ROAD. And we can't be having that. We can't let these cyclists come over here, taking OUR roads, wasting OUR money on cycle paths that NOBODY uses anyway. It's time to TAKE BACK CONTROL of OUR roads.</p> <p>Job done.</p> <p>#CommonSensePrevails </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233292 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:46:21 +0000 fimm 233292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How do we change this? What do we do? What can we do? Can we don anything? Are we always going to be a minority? Is there any way to get people to see that things can't go on as they are? What was wrong with the lane anyway? What had it changed for people driving along that road? Did they have to do anything differently? was there any less space?</p> <p>It just seems such a bizarre waste of money to rip it out because cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233291 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:38:54 +0000 Rob 233291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Do you think they actually believe what they say?"</em></p> <p>Responses from councillors suggest they see cycling as a leisure pursuit. Catering to it means meandering paths through woods and streams going nowhere in particular. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233285 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:17:08 +0000 Min 233285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>WC <em>Do you think they actually believe what they say? </em></p> <p>I think that is the cognitive dissonance kicking in again.</p> <p>Crowriver <em>where speeding motorists can beep at them, subject them to close passes, and intimidate them out of the way</em></p> <p>That would be the "harmony" of which he speaks. :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233284 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:03:15 +0000 crowriver 233284@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh but cyclist are being taken into account. In the sense that they'll now be able to enjoy the freedom of an A road where speeding motorists can beep at them, subject them to close passes, and intimidate them out of the way. You know, the way it should be? The status quo? The way motorists want it? #CommonSensePrevails as Ms Wilson would say. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233268 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:16:59 +0000 chdot 233268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Do you think they actually <em>believe</em> what they say?"</p> <p>Yes, but only because they don't actually understand what the words mean!</p> <p>(Not really a good condition for a politician - but quite common.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233266 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:13:13 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 233266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Cyclists, motorists and walkers should all be taken into account. Except cyclists who shouldn't be allowed any infra.</em>"</p> <p>Exactly. Such an odd statement. So there was a road and pavement and no cycle lane. Which means walkers and motorists were being catered for only. Then they put in cycling infra, lo and behold, all three are catered for. Then they take away the infra, and we're back to only two being catered for.</p> <p>Do you think they actually <em>believe</em> what they say? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233265 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:12:53 +0000 chdot 233265@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Min, that's this link -</p> <p><a href="https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1617066388591340" rel="nofollow">https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1617066388591340</a></p> <p>Couldn't get text to copy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233264 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:11:32 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 233264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Much as I'm not much of a fan of the SNP these days, quoting the Express for 'factual analysis', and not agenda-driven hyperbole and shameless lies ranks up there with believing what you read in the Daily Wail.</p> <p>Until they actually correctly predict that new ice age of course. One year they may get it right, and if it matches their predictions then hell will indeed have frozen over.</p> <p>I would suggest that much of the anti-SNP sentiment is as riddled with bias and 'believing what you want to believe' as the SNP fanatics themselves. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233260 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:02:02 +0000 Min 233260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From chdot's link:-</p> <p><em>There seems to be some belief out there that because we think this cycle lane should be removed I (we) are anti-cycle - we are not. Cycle lanes are a must - but it doesn't have to be either or ! Both can live in harmony.....<br /> cyclists, motorist and walkers should all be taken into account.</em></p> <p>Cyclists, motorists and walkers should all be taken into account. Except cyclists who shouldn't be allowed any infra. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233249 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 00:08:46 +0000 Rob 233249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rowers now doomed to horribly unsafe conditions:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/roadccdave/status/783214925762162688?s=09" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/roadccdave/status/783214925762162688?s=09</a><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/roadccdave/status/783220372812554241?s=09" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/roadccdave/status/783220372812554241?s=09</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233248 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 23:50:44 +0000 chdot 233248@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14787672.South_Ayrshire_councillors_vote_to_remove_A70_segregated_cycleway/?ref=mr&amp;lp=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14787672.South_Ayrshire_councillors_vote_to_remove_A70_segregated_cycleway/?ref=mr&amp;lp=9</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233246 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 23:48:00 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 233246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You beat me to it, stickman. There was also, however, this little unpleasantness: </p> <p>A NATIONALIST MP faces calls for an investigation into business dealings after her firm received almost £90,000 of taxpayers’ cash from a Holyrood colleague.</p> <p><a href="http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/656004/Another-SNP-MP-faces-cash-probe-call-Corri-Wilson" rel="nofollow">http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/656004/Another-SNP-MP-faces-cash-probe-call-Corri-Wilson</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233239 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:16:26 +0000 gembo 233239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@stickman, nice detail. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233235 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:10:51 +0000 Stickman 233235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>gembo, gembo, gembo. the SNP represent a different kind of politics, different from those corrupt MPs at Westminster. </p> <p>That Corri Wilson MP has employed her son and daughter as "personal assistants" at £34k each* shows how different they are. </p> <p>*combined salary £68k; cost of cycle lane £60k. Figures quoted for comparison only. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233233 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:53:55 +0000 gembo 233233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just because they are against the cycle lane doesn't mean they are against cycling they are not driving walking and cycling is all great.</p> <p>Or SNP scrap cycling in Scotland? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233232 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:43:56 +0000 chdot 233232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1617066388591340" rel="nofollow">https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1617066388591340</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=3#post-233231 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:36:28 +0000 wee folding bike 233231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not been near Cragie since the late '80s when my mum was at meetings there. I was at the caravan site in '96.</p> <p>Is there a lot of traffic in the park? I don't remember it being busy.</p> <p>I assume this lane was to marry up with the one going out to Coylton. A guy I went to school with was killed on that road near Sundrum and then, years later, so was his son.</p> <p>We used to go though the cemetery or Forehill Rd more than Holmston Rd because school friends stayed in Masonhill. Holmston Rd never bothered me I just didn't have much cause to use it. </p> <p>If they were going to change something then Burns Statue Sq could do with a look at. They've improved the layout a little since I was at school. I don't think you can come out of the cinema car park and go straight in front of the station anymore. That caught me out a few times.</p> <p>There is also a build out or bollards near Rozelle park on a very shaded bit of the road. In the summer the tree cover makes it hard to spot. Cutting down the trees isn't likely to be popular of course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16830&page=2#post-233229 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:26:11 +0000 piosad 233229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a riverside path yes, it does go into the town centre too (gravelly and poorly lit). Was thinking more of the campus itself (behind the building away from the river) which was mostly roads and parking lots. </p>