http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: West Midlands Police just raised the bar... en Sun, 17 May 2026 17:36:49 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=5#post-313273 Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:38:47 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 313273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the founders of the original West Midlands Op Close Pass is reportedly battling cancer. Call to register potential stem cell donors:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/CHAIRRDRF/status/1166372223101427712" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CHAIRRDRF/status/1166372223101427712</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=5#post-278044 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:31:59 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 278044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Those Call4Safety downlights look quite the business. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=5#post-278039 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:06:18 +0000 Stickman 278039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hodson&amp;Hudson continue their mission:</p> <p><a href="https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/op-closepass-evolution/" rel="nofollow">https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/op-closepass-evolution/</a></p> <p><em>The phrases “You can’t do that” or “that will never work” have become to key test of any developing concept to the team...unless people start rolling their eyes and shaking their heads we realise it doesn’t go far enough, we are really setting out to change the way we protect people on our roads, and those changes need innovation, creativity, to be evidence based and community support to succeed.</em></p> <p>And words for other forces</p> <p><em>. #OpClosePass is something you cannot dilute or do half-heartedly if you want it to succeed.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=5#post-269207 Fri, 08 Dec 2017 22:51:18 +0000 HankChief 269207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/IBIKEDublin/status/939219259439411200">Tweet by IBikeDublin</a></p> <p>"<em>Help us #freethecyclelanes in Dublin. @GardaTraffic will be monitoring the hashtag as a trial. In order to make a report we need you to take a picture, use the hashtag, make the location clear and ensure the car in the photo is illegally parked (check time/location/street signs)</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=5#post-265221 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 08:46:20 +0000 gembo 265221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If there was a correlation between successful prosecution and wearing of a helmet and hi-viz, I could see the validity of police and others observing the cyclist was not wearing such clobber. However, there is no such connection. If cyclist is attired in this manner then the defence for the driver just does not mention this and moves on to further excuses.</p> <p>I do wear hi viz pink as I do not think drivers see green or yellow. I get some abuse sometimes when in the pink but the cats driving the cars and vans do usually see me. I have a very garish orange tank top, fake fair isle from Liberty when it was closing down. I am always seen when I wear that. Drivers actually swerve into me,</p> <p>Lights I am very keen on. Two folk on towpath last night on bikes without lights. Umpteen dogs and walkers very hard to spot. M night vision may be deteriorating but in case this gets blamed ever it has been amongst the highest tested night vision in the history of night vision and is coming into the high average range now. Some walkers and dogs do wear lights or put their phones on or carry a newspaper or white poly bag. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265207 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 07:00:51 +0000 gibbo 265207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mmaohara</p> <p><em>This is very unfair and it is quite offensive to see you equating what is a reasonably sensible precaution when cycling, with rape.</em></p> <p>You see, I'm old enough to remember a time when British judges would bring up how the victim was dressed when ruling on rape trials.</p> <p>And when police would "advise" young women on what they should and shouldn't wear if they want to reduce the likelihood of rape/sexual assault.</p> <p>Just the same logic that's behind telling cyclists to wear hi-viz.</p> <p>(Which is why I used it.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265159 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:03:39 +0000 Dom D 265159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>‘Sensible precaution yes, but the police shouldn't be the ones publishing’</p> <p>The police will use the advice in the Highway Code. Rules 3 &amp; 59 in respect of pedestrians and cyclists. The Highway Code even illustrates these rules. When the Highway Code changes so will the police advice. </p> <p>The advice of Rule 3 is scheduled for reference later on in the campaign. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265058 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:43:11 +0000 acsimpson 265058@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't remember the details and could be wrong but I'm sure cyclist hear has been discussed in court during dangerous driving cases. So it already has gone down the line of"your fault if you didn't wear it".</p> <p>Sensible precaution yes, but the police shouldn't be the ones publishing it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265046 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:07:24 +0000 Nelly 265046@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The idea that people suggesting it be worn is now victim blaming, is an overreaction"</p> <p>I will agree with that when the police start telling pedestrians to wear hi Viz and helmets.</p> <p>That they won't do that suggests to me that they are singling out cyclists - that sounds like deflection at best and blaming at worst.</p> <p>Oh, and they still haven't responded to my last tweet, which says it all </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265030 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:16:56 +0000 mmaohara 265030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A person shouldn’t have to lock their bike to avoid it being stolen but many do, because it seems like a sensible precaution to take to help make it difficult for thieves.</p> <p>It is not necessary to wear Hi-vis, but i’m struggling to see why doing something to help others see you is somehow controversial here. I wear it myself when i’m cycling, I still fully expect moterists to take proper care when driving around me but I don’t see it as an issue to be wearing it.</p> <p>If it starts to go down the line of “it’s your fault you were hit by a car because you didn’t wear hi-viz” then yes, that would be completely wrong. The idea that people suggesting it be worn is now victim blaming, is an overreaction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265027 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:12:36 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 265027@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Wearing High-viz has everything to do with being seen well on a dark-night"</p> <p>Conflating high-vis and reflectivity is amongst the smallest of the errors in your post. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265026 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:58:41 +0000 HankChief 265026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Where does locking your bike fit in the sensible precaution / victim blaming scale? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265023 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:39:32 +0000 mmaohara 265023@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>"Especially when their advice to young women would be to wear long skirts on a Friday night in order to "improve their chances" of not being raped."</blockquote></p> <p>This is very unfair and it is quite offensive to see you equating what is a reasonably sensible precaution when cycling, with rape. </p> <p>In many situations people can take steps to ensure a better outcome for themselves. It is not anyone's fault if they are a victim of a crime or an accident, but it is not victim-blaming to suggest you might do things to improve your own chances of not being a victim of crime. </p> <p>The driver is responsible for seeing you, but it doesn't mean we have to make it hard for them. It isn't a competition as to who has the most rights to enforce, its about increasing your own ability to stay safe. If I get run over, nobody will be comforted by the fact that the driver was in the wrong, I'd still be dead.</p> <p>Long skirts have nothing to do with rape, which tends to be about control and power. Wearing High-viz has everything to do with being seen well on a dark-night. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265021 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:25:40 +0000 Snowy 265021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And next week they will be advising drivers to paint their cars fluorescent yellow to improve their chance of being seen in poor light...not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265010 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:13:49 +0000 gibbo 265010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Nelly</p> <p><em>Am I being over sensitive</em></p> <p>Maybe, maybe not.</p> <p><em>but FFS these are the people responsible for road safety - they JUST DONT GET IT. </em></p> <p>They don't.</p> <p>If they used the same logic for other crimes - and dangerous driving is a crime - there'd be a huge outcry.</p> <p>Especially when their advice to young women would be to wear long skirts on a Friday night in order to "improve their chances" of not being raped. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265006 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:57:10 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 265006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If they are ignorant, they can be retrained.</p> <p>I suspect they just want to do this project and move on, so its the easy same old soundbite rubbish every time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-265003 Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:42:35 +0000 Nelly 265003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Twitter convo with Dumfries and Galloway police twitter - this kicked off by @pidginposting retweeting the following from D&amp;G plod;</p> <p>@DumfriesGPolice: In 2016, 32 pedestrians, 8 pedal cyclists &amp; 30 motorcyclists sadly lost their lives on Scotland’s roads #GoSafeRoadSafe <a href="https://twitter.com/DumfriesGPolice/status/924957705827246080/video/1" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/DumfriesGPolice/status/924957705827246080/video/1</a></p> <p>video starts off with a kid stating hes wearing a helmet and hi viz cos it makes sense.............</p> <p>Cue me -</p> <p>@nelly0168: @DumfriesGPolice Aye, well done. "Wear a helmet and hi Viz because it's the cyclists fault if a driver doesn't see you.." #victimblaming</p> <p>@DumfriesGPolice: @nelly0168 We are asking everyone to take responsibility for their own safety &amp; to share road space respectfully &amp; responsibly.</p> <p>@nelly0168: @DumfriesGPolice Come on ! It's 100% the drivers responsibility to see a driver/pedestrian. Where's the advice for pedestrians to wear hi viz?</p> <p>@DumfriesGPolice: @nelly0168 We agree however cyclists can improve the chance of being seen in poor light by wearing bright clothing. Pedestrians stuff later in week</p> <p>@DumfriesGPolice So you will be telling pedestrians to wear Hi Viz clothing too? Given that car drivers killed 4 times as many pedestrians??</p> <p>Am I being over sensitive, but FFS these are the people responsible for road safety - they JUST DONT GET IT. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-263640 Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:42:00 +0000 Stickman 263640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still leading the way:</p> <p><a href="https://west-midlands.police.uk/news/4208/pedestrian-road-deaths-down-wmp-targets-dangerous-drivers#" rel="nofollow">https://west-midlands.police.uk/news/4208/pedestrian-road-deaths-down-wmp-targets-dangerous-drivers#</a></p> <p><em>Operation Safer Schools and Safer Crossing sees traffic cops in plain clothes mingling with pedestrians on the look-out for drivers who ignore zebra crossings, speed near schools, jump red lights, use phones at the wheel or commit other motoring offences in key locations.</p> <p>Details of the offending vehicle are taken down and either radioed ahead for colleagues to intercept the driver or a postal prosecution.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-261654 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:37:22 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 261654@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>National England or rUK rather than entire UK, I presume...</p> <p>Meanwhile in Scotland: <a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15554700.Death_of_Scots_mother_in_bike_crash_sparks_fresh_police_warnings_over__fixies_/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15554700.Death_of_Scots_mother_in_bike_crash_sparks_fresh_police_warnings_over__fixies_/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-261652 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:29:41 +0000 chdot 261652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Comment below Cycling article -</p> <p>“</p> <p>Speaking with a couple of officers at the Cycle Show on Saturday, I cannot wait till this is rolled out nationwide. I believe the portal to report third party incidents will become national in the beginning of 2018! :)</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-261642 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 08:44:08 +0000 paddyirish 261642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/operation-close-pass-hailed-success-west-midlands-police-see-reduction-cyclist-casualties-352625">This</a> is really encouraging. Especially because they are not resting on their laurels and are continuing to seek to improve things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-255202 Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:00:43 +0000 chdot 255202@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/chris_boardman/status/886544351614160898" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/chris_boardman/status/886544351614160898</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-246416 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:22:28 +0000 Frenchy 246416@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Out looking, like WMP, starting on the 24th. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-246415 Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:15:54 +0000 gibbo 246415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy</p> <p>Does this mean they'll be simply waiting for reports from cyclists?</p> <p>Or will they be looking out for close passes as per West Midlands police? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-246411 Sun, 09 Apr 2017 21:32:41 +0000 Frenchy 246411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to Police Scotland, via one of my MSPs:</p> <p>As part of OpClosePass in Edinburgh, divisional officers will be issued reports with guidance on how to investigate reports of close passes from the public, and specialist Road Policing officers will provide guidance to officers, including examles of the standards of evidence required to satidy the Procurator Fiscal.</p> <p>Also says they support assigning a "sufficient percentage" of the transport budget to cycling in realise the 10% of journeys by 2020.</p> <p>All sounds good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-245926 Mon, 03 Apr 2017 13:44:16 +0000 neddie 245926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Operation Close Pass looks likely to launch in Edinburgh on 24th April.</p> <p>One of the officers involved is most definitely a cyclist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-245015 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:21:12 +0000 gembo 245015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax, you bet. Time to not cross any lines Smokey </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-245014 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:08:40 +0000 minus six 245014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Why should this be any different?</em></p> <p>Applying a straight bat to your rhetorical -</p> <p>Wasn't the legendary ASL crackdown a local 'Lothian and Borders' affair</p> <p>Whereas this would purport to be a serious nationwide Police Scotland initiative ?</p> <p>Nevertheless we must anticipate the inevitable community-minded balancing act..</p> <p>The swift reciprocal follow-up exercise targetting the red light jumping two-wheeled menace that stalks our streets leaving danger chaos mayhem in its wake </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-245013 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 13:25:31 +0000 gibbo 245013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bax</p> <p>Remember the crackdown on cars stopping in ASLs?</p> <p>A 2 week "awareness" period where police would give out warnings. Then, they'd start giving out penalties.</p> <p>They did the first part. Forgot all about the second part.</p> <p>Why should this be any different? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16847&page=4#post-245008 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:35:02 +0000 minus six 245008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll stick a fiver on this ending up being an inconsequential promo fortnight coinciding with the summer school holidays, first two weeks of July</p> <p>Box duly ticked, move along now, there's nothing to see </p>