http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Another cyclist killer walks free en Mon, 18 May 2026 06:23:35 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-231033 Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:56:17 +0000 minus six 231033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Deborah Orr gets it</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/17/driving-mentality-killed-lee-martin-phone-wheel-safety-campaigns">The driving mentality is what really killed Lee Martin</a></p> <p><em>The massive increase in physical power that getting behind the wheel confers seems similarly to boost egos. People feel impregnable in their cars, more in control, oblivious to the fact that these are machines that deliver injury and death every day. Sometimes people feel intensely that their car is a totally private space, a tiny peripatetic kingdom over which they rule.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-231017 Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:22:51 +0000 paddyirish 231017@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37353242">It is getting more of an airing at national level.</a></p> <p>But will it lead to action? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-230967 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:07:06 +0000 Ed1 230967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Opts I assumed was careless or some such like did not read the article properly as was multitasking, </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-230955 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:54:17 +0000 ih 230955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ed1 Failing to stop was the only thing he was charged with. Reading between the lines, police and CPS probably couldn't find, or didn't look hard enough for, evidence of careless or dangerous driving or causing death by same. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-230952 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:40:40 +0000 Ed1 230952@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>These English judges Magistrates are laymen, if look at the guidance on sentencing could see if fits, however it seems to have missed the leaving the scene and nor coming forward, would be surprised if that offense could not have been added, nor if leaving the scene could be considered adverse inference by failing to provide breath or drugs testing. Also who knows may be the cyclist could have lived if had raised alarm quicker. The hit and run and failing to stop failing to provide sample or report to police station. Always wonder if the English system using laymen if robust when the rest of Europe uses professionals, including Scotland, although in Scotland a private prosecution could not be taken (unlikely to be as need permission only 1 in 100 years or something) such as that other case discussed recently. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-230949 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:33:48 +0000 LaidBack 230949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not good reading if you cycle in Andover, or anywhere else.</p> <p>Can't understand how this could be considered a just result. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16879#post-230942 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:00:40 +0000 gibbo 230942@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"A DRIVER who failed to stop after a crash that left a cyclist dead smiled as he walked free from a court.</p> <p>Michael O’Shea, of Roman Way, Andover, made obscene gestures to reporters as he left Basingstoke Magistrates’ Court last week." </em></p> <p>5 month suspended sentence and a 12 month (!) driving ban.</p> <p>Killing a cyclist is like accidentally running over someone's dog.</p> <p><a href="http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14745752.Driver_who_failed_to_stop_after_fatal_cyclist_crash_smiles_as_he_walks_free_from_court/#comments-anchor">http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14745752.Driver_who_failed_to_stop_after_fatal_cyclist_crash_smiles_as_he_walks_free_from_court/#comments-anchor</a> </p>