http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Ministers drive to boost cycling backfires after rates fall" en Mon, 18 May 2026 06:25:23 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232754 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:14:50 +0000 ih 232754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who is this conference aimed at?<br /> Will any decision makers be there?<br /> Sally only given 30 minutes at the end! Is this tokenism?<br /> So much talk of "place" and then in the few examples of when planners try to enhance "place", it is fought tooth and nail by reactionaries who just want the status quo but with added cars.</p> <p>I'm beginning to feel that campaigning should consist mainly of showing videos of Dutch infrastructure to decision makers, with the strapline that this is the only way you will achieve your targets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232735 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 12:17:17 +0000 chdot 232735@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not sure this will be delivered -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Join this event to gain an up to date brief on Scottish policy to enable active travel, and examine how your organisation can learn from good practice in both planning and community engagement.</p> <p>"</p> <p>No keynote speech from government minister.</p> <p>Would have been better to <em>start</em> with Sally! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232716 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:52:50 +0000 gibbo 232716@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"<br /> Promoting active travel has been outlined as a priority in the latest Programme for Government, with a continued aim to ensure 10% of everyday journeys are made by bike by 2020, and the further support for walking and cycling infrastructure and a people-centred approach to place.<br /> " </em></p> <p>By 2020? That's optimistic.</p> <p>I take it they still believe they can do that by spending 1.9% of the travel budget on active travel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232715 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:50:46 +0000 crowriver 232715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson, unfortunately I have to agree. If you look at the voting record on Edinburgh Council, SNP often vote as one bloc, especially when an issue is 'contentious'. See the Roseburn-Leith cycle route vote for example. Also see what happened to 'independent thinker' Cllr Orr when viewed as 'disloyal' by fellow SNP councillors... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232708 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:35:02 +0000 Arellcat 232708@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Here's the solution: have a conference about it.</p> <p><a href="https://www.holyrood.com/event/enabling-active-travel" rel="nofollow">https://www.holyrood.com/event/enabling-active-travel</a></p> <p>"<br /> Promoting active travel has been outlined as a priority in the latest Programme for Government, with a continued aim to ensure 10% of everyday journeys are made by bike by 2020, and the further support for walking and cycling infrastructure and a people-centred approach to place.<br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232660 Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:18:46 +0000 acsimpson 232660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rob, I'm no expert. I think most parties have an element of block voting depending on the policy. From what I can tell though the SNP are the worst offenders with policies seemingly dictated from high levels and very little choice or imagination at the lower levels. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232642 Sat, 01 Oct 2016 19:04:14 +0000 Rob 232642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Problem is number of people who 'believe' they can't and so 'must drive'."</em></p> <p>I think driving has been made so easy it has become the default. People need a reason <em>not</em> to drive before even considering something else. For me, that reason was the absence of parking at a new job.</p> <p><em>"Bring on local elections..."</em></p> <p>I haven't paid any attention to local politics until recently. When choosing how to vote, should I be looking at the individual or the party policies?</p> <p>The recent Bearsway decision is the first council level result I've ever looked at. As in this case, do councilors typically vote the same as the other councilors in their party? Are the councilors deciding between themselves or does someone else guide their voting?</p> <p>I'd be pretty miffed right now if I'd voted for an East Dunbartonshire SNP councilor based on their pro-cycling leanings. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232637 Sat, 01 Oct 2016 17:09:11 +0000 chdot 232637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/sturgeon-called-administrator-of-austerity-after-400m-underspend-1-4245810" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/sturgeon-called-administrator-of-austerity-after-400m-underspend-1-4245810</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232356 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:53:59 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a bit in Gormenghast where Swelter, the vile chef, threatens the heroes by leaving an ever more elaborate cake one step higher on the stairs up to their hiding place each night. It's one of my favourite ever literary devices. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232352 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:26:02 +0000 Frenchy 232352@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've only ever had eggs thrown at me, perhaps the rest of the ingredients will come later? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232349 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:08:08 +0000 crowriver 232349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It was some kind of iced fairy cake with cream."</p> <p>Even the improvised missile throwers are "on trend" it would appear.</p> <p>"That's the same as the entire Active Travel budget..."</p> <p>All that money just so folk from Fife don't have to pay for long term parking at the airport. Might take a few cars off the M90/A90 I suppose. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232348 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:00:30 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@jdanieldp</p> <p>It was some kind of iced fairy cake with cream. Individual sized, so just right as an improvised missile. A Dundee cake would have been dangerous, a wedding cake surreal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232347 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:58:08 +0000 dougal 232347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure he said it was Bullseye Cake? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232345 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:54:54 +0000 jdanielp 232345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS what kind of cake? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232336 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:32:34 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>You must be one scary dude!</em></p> <p>I did once have a lady spontaneously run away from me - she only heard me at the last minute as I approached from behind in a snow storm, minding my own business. She had a hood up, heard me as I was on her shoulder, looked round in horror and took off down the road as fast as she could on her high heels. Very embarassing but what can you do?</p> <p>Last random abuse was someone who threw a cake at me out of a moving car, but I was a pedestrian at the time. Bullseye too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232330 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:25:31 +0000 Min 232330@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gibbo - I believe it is getting worse too.</p> <p>IWRATS <em>Clearly I haven't been paying attention....never noticed much more than indifference and I'm in my thirtieth year of city cycling.</em></p> <p>Off the bike too? You have never read hysterical media ranting? Never had anyone have a go at you about how all cyclists run red lights and ride on the pavement when they find out you cycle? You must be one scary dude! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232329 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:22:24 +0000 gibbo 232329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Min</p> <p><em>"You have to not be put off by verbal abuse"</em></p> <p>Despite doing less cycling than the last few years, I've had more drivers shout abuse at me for not riding tight to the left this year than last 3 years put together. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232326 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:11:20 +0000 Frenchy 232326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>That's the same as the entire Active Travel budget... </em></p> <p>I despair. Heid in hands stuff. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232324 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:04:03 +0000 HankChief 232324@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile the minister has just been looking over the £41m spent on the Edinburgh Gateway rail/tram station...</p> <p>That's the same as the entire Active Travel budget... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232322 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:53:52 +0000 crowriver 232322@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"whether 'young people' have car-cash after paying rent and financing (electronic) mobile device use."</p> <p>Anecdotal evidence suggests once earnings reach a certain level that is the case. Drivers round my way seem to be getting younger (or I'm getting older, or both). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232308 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:45:22 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232308@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycling has decreased due to to the spate of deeply unpopular people taking up cycling.</p> <p><img src="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/28/13/38E0D71E00000578-3811540-Health_Secretary_Jeremy_Hunt_pictured_today_has_won_a_High_Court-m-16_1475065694577.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954&page=2#post-232306 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:42:04 +0000 chdot 232306@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Onward and upward motor culture facilitated by bridge/road building. </p> <p>Some resistance in Edinburgh.</p> <p>Future depends on whether 'young people' have car-cash after paying rent and financing (electronic) mobile device use. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232300 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:27:21 +0000 crowriver 232300@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"may not relate to infrastructure could be economics cycle or changes, or as stated weather it may be cyclical."</p> <p>Fashion cycle? Fixies very trendy a few years ago with young (mostly) males. Similarly "vintage"/Dutch bikes popular with (modestly) young females shortly afterwards. Road bikes very fashionable with middle aged (mostly) males for the past few years. Maybe fashion has moved on? The "trend" for cycling downwards? Skateboards back in style for young (mostly) men? Sports cars back "on trend" for middle aged (mostly) males?</p> <p>Cycling "jumped the shark" fashion-wise? Driving back "in"? Could be as superficial as that, could it not? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232287 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:31:57 +0000 Ed1 232287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So cycling is down 14% year-on-year." Not necessarily, it may be total journeys up, or it may be people taking few longer journeys. It may be there is more miles covered by bikes in 2015.</p> <p>Even if bike miles down which at glance this research does not confirm, may not relate to infrastructure could be economics cycle or changes, or as stated weather it may be cyclical. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232280 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:22:17 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232280@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@edd1e_h</p> <p>Good point well made. I keep forgetting that aspect.</p> <p>@Roibeard</p> <p>Rarely, very rarely. Maybe once every couple of years. Don't get me wrong though - sometimes the indifference is murderous indifference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232277 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:17:36 +0000 chdot 232277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Nearly 50% of people don't walk further than that in a week"</p> <p>Not sure I <em>walk</em> more than 1/4 mile <em>that</em> often!</p> <p>Problem is number of people who 'believe' they can't and so 'must drive'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232276 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:13:49 +0000 Stickman 232276@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The full statistical tables are depressing. The figures on how often people walk more than quarter of a mile are shocking. Nearly 50% of people don't walk further than that in a week. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232274 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:10:01 +0000 chdot 232274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Does</em> highlight how Edinburgh is different.</p> <p>Local conditions, local campaigning.</p> <p>Bring on local elections... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232273 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:09:07 +0000 Roibeard 232273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IwratS - in thirty years you've never experienced a close pass (physical danger) or a punishment pass (threats)?</p> <p>Admittedly I've experienced more when cycling slowly with the kids, even to the extent that oncoming drivers have felt the need to slow down to shout abuse at us for "holding up" someone else!</p> <p>However even on my own, with full on vehicular cycling protocols, I've had drivers deliberately or inadvertently aim their vehicles at me, probably once a quarter or so. Currently that's about once every 500 miles.</p> <p>Unfortunately after every scare (physical danger) I've taken a more assertive primary at that point to prevent it recurring, which tends to increase the deliberately abusive behaviour (shouting, revving, sounding of horns), but at least few resort to punishment passes.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16954#post-232272 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:08:46 +0000 chdot 232272@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If the data shows a decrease you are allowed to say it is an increase if you use the word trend"</p> <p>Surely not!?</p> <p>Well maybe just for politicians...</p> <p>(And Transport Scotland) </p>