http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Gardner's Crescent/Morrison Street crossing en Tue, 19 May 2026 10:04:07 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232375 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:44:12 +0000 Frenchy 232375@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Left out of Gardner's coupled with ped green on both bits of Dewar.</em></p> <p>If I'm understanding you right, pedestrians could therefore cross the southbound carriageway of GC whilst traffic coming out of GC has a green light, and cross the northbound carriageway when GC traffic has a red light?</p> <p>This is obviously inferior to simply having an additional pedestrian phase of the lights cycle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232369 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:31:04 +0000 wingpig 232369@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Left out of Gardner's coupled with ped green on both bits of Dewar. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232361 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:23:21 +0000 Stickman 232361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's on the design list mentioned in this thread:</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15990" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15990</a></p> <p>The whole area is a disaster. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232358 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:19:16 +0000 Fountainbridge 232358@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've heard recently that there's due to be a review of Morrison Street but can't remember where I heard it.</p> <p>Plenty of new developments could have paid for an upgrade in the past, and plenty to pay for it in the future. </p> <p>This is after all the main pedestrian route from the Exchange Financial district, International Conference Center and the 4th busiest train station in Scotland.</p> <p>I'd also add changes required to end of Grove Street which can have 3 cars wide stopped on it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232341 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:44:24 +0000 wingpig 232341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Does traffic from Gardner's Crescent get a green light at the same time as traffic from Dewar Place?"</em></blockquote></p> <p>I think left-turns into Morrison St from Dewar Place are simultaneous with left-turns out of Gardner's Crescent. I wandered past at lunchtime but forgot to check that, so I'll see on the way home. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232289 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:41:25 +0000 jonty 232289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The whole Morrison Street corridor is due to be rejigged soon anyway I think - anyone know how that's progressing? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232278 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:18:37 +0000 Stickman 232278@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@eddie_h: that would work! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232271 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:06:33 +0000 neddie 232271@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just put in a straight-forward "all directions" pedestrian phase. It will not affect traffic "flow" one iota due to the significant delays at the neighbouring junctions in all directions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232263 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:52:46 +0000 chdot 232263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Indeed - only a week ago too! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232262 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:50:58 +0000 Frenchy 232262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>And there will still be people who think 'bikes not allowed'.</em></p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16894#post-231223" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16894#post-231223</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232258 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:40:46 +0000 Stickman 232258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>And me cycling</em></p> <p>Cyclists ignored in street changes again! ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232256 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:31:59 +0000 chdot 232256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"using the cut-through through Widows is quite antisocial to peds at peak times, I feel"</p> <p>Only done it when almost deserted, but can imagined it's v busy at certain times.</p> <p>And there will still be people who think 'bikes not allowed'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232246 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:51:08 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 232246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"This would only affect cars coming out of the Semple Street car park who want to get back to Fountainbridge and a few residents at the north end of Gardner's Crescent."</p> <p>And me cycling, as using the cut-through through Widows is quite antisocial to peds at peak times, I feel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232236 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:19:40 +0000 kaputnik 232236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree it's atrocious. And that corridor up to Lothian Road from Haymarket Station is heaving with pedestrians any given rush hour, only for them all to be funnelled into a very narrow space where there's barely room to pass (never mind if the businesses have their bins or A-boards out), and then to have to cross a road with no crossing where vehicles generally take it at a run.</p> <p>Building the pavement out at the throat of Gardners Crescent to increase space for waiting would have the double benefit of preventing a straight, high-speed run out of Dewar Place.</p> <p>I assume that it's not closed to southbound traffic as you suggest as Grove Place and Semple Street are northbound only, and there would be no other alternative to get from Morrison Street to Fountainbridge. But that raises the question as to why Semple Street needs to be 3 northbound lanes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232235 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:19:37 +0000 Frenchy 232235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does traffic from Gardner's Crescent get a green light at the same time as traffic from Dewar Place? If they're separate, am I right in thinking that a two-stage crossing would also allow for a signalled crossing without angering The Almighty Traffic Flow? Pedestrians could cross the southbound carriageway of Gardner's Crescent when traffic from Gardner's Crescent has a green light, and then the northbound carriageway when the light turns red. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16956#post-232229 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:02:30 +0000 Stickman 232229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it's been discussed here previously how terrible this crossing is for pedestrians. There must be thousands of people who walk this route to and from the station, yet they are hemmed in behind barriers and have no signalled crossing. As I go this way each day I've noticed more and more people walking on the road outside the barriers. If nothing is done then it's only going to get worse when the new Haymarket development opens. </p> <p>It occurred to me that banning traffic from turning left from Morrison Street onto Gardner's Crescent would allow a signalled crossing to be installed without offending the great god Traffic Flow. The green man could go when traffic is heading westbound from Morrison Street. </p> <p>This would only affect cars coming out of the Semple Street car park who want to get back to Fountainbridge and a few residents at the north end of Gardner's Crescent. They would have to make the diversion round Torphichen Street. </p> <p>There would also be the added benefit of removing the left-hook risk here. A cyclist was seriously injured at this spot in the last couple of years. </p> <p>Thoughts? </p>