http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Same old (DM) cycle lane story en Sun, 31 May 2026 19:00:30 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233243 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:41:09 +0000 chdot 233243@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneDowie/status/784121567685054464" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneDowie/status/784121567685054464</a></p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneDowie/status/784118123901378560" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneDowie/status/784118123901378560</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233241 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:20:53 +0000 chdot 233241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783980346010460160" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783980346010460160</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233238 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:13:03 +0000 chdot 233238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Need new thread for conspiracies, backlashes etc.</p> <p>Can't be bothered. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233237 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:12:13 +0000 chdot 233237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/783983668712923136" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/783983668712923136</a></p> <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/backonmybike/status/784053383082762240" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/backonmybike/status/784053383082762240</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233234 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:09:31 +0000 chdot 233234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/5335.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/5335.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989&page=2#post-233222 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 19:17:04 +0000 crowriver 233222@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rob, that's the same guy that had a go at the young woman who wrote that op-ed on cycling in The National a while back? </p> <p>Not sure he's the most credible source, even if I sympathise with some of his arguments... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233215 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:26:35 +0000 chdot 233215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Plenty evidence here of one ES journalist using 'unnamed sources' to 'justify' scare stories-</p> <p><a href="https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/why-is-the-evening-standards-transport-correspond-presenting-the-superhighway-proposals-in-the-worst-possible-light" rel="nofollow">https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/why-is-the-evening-standards-transport-correspond-presenting-the-superhighway-proposals-in-the-worst-possible-light</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233214 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:19:40 +0000 Morningsider 233214@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are people really arguing that the DM needs help in coming up with BS stories? The weight of evidence is against them on that one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233204 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 15:57:26 +0000 Rob 233204@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783968308538335233?s=09" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783968308538335233?s=09</a></p> <p>The linked article seems a bit conspiracy theorist but still interesting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233203 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 15:49:08 +0000 Rob 233203@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783972355827765248?s=09" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/lstwhl/status/783972355827765248?s=09</a><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/AsEasyAsRiding/status/783986133403365376?s=09" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/AsEasyAsRiding/status/783986133403365376?s=09</a></p> <p>I don't know what evidence they have or how credible the posters are. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233201 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 15:07:30 +0000 crowriver 233201@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rob, really? I'd be interested in that. Any links to hand? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233188 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 14:08:06 +0000 Rob 233188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There has been some noise on twitter about this latest batch of anti-cycling coverage being the work of a few PR companies. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233173 Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:57:51 +0000 kaputnik 233173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I noticed that one of the pictures was captioned "commissioned work" (i.e. they've sent someone out to take a photo of an empty cycle lane). Then someone else pointed out the lane has had a blue covering for at least the last 4 years. So we've got a made-up picture from 4+ years ago acting as evidence for "unused cycle lanes".</p> <p>Hmmmm. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233123 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:26:05 +0000 paddyirish 233123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC top class rant- agree with all of it with bells on.</p> <p>@fimm agreed, no need ever to visit that dark corner of the web. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233122 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:05:48 +0000 chdot 233122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>In the terms that Mrs May seeks to use, you could say that Britain has been governed by a liberal elite for much of the past two decades. And this would be a good time to ask: what has the liberal elite ever done for us? Apart from, that is, the minimum wage, greater equality for minority groups, devolving power to the people, civil partnerships, reduced crime, freedom of information, free museums and galleries, cleaner air, and, yes, more cycle lanes… </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://inews.co.uk/opinion/defence-theresa-mays-hated-liberal-metropolitan-elite/" rel="nofollow">https://inews.co.uk/opinion/defence-theresa-mays-hated-liberal-metropolitan-elite/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233032 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:31:44 +0000 steveo 233032@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Applied the match and, as the flames destroyed Lord Rothermere's organ, my anger subsided.</em></p> <p>Only to rise again when you realised the paper had so little value it failed to ignite the wood. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233031 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:29:36 +0000 algo 233031@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS - absolutely, I completely agree - this is such an important thing to point out, as you have done many times, very well. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233028 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:18:58 +0000 PS 233028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I really hate the Daily Wail</em></p> <p>I thought I was pretty chilled out about this, but last weekend staying in a holiday cottage I was laying the fire and reached for a few pages of the newspaper that was in the wood basket. Turned out it was the Mail. Felt a bit angry. Pulled four pages out to put in the fire. This exposed a photo of a grinning Nigel Farage. Urge to kill rose. Screwed the whole newspaper up and put it in the fire so I did not have to spend any more time in the same building as a copy of the Daily Mail. Applied the match and, as the flames destroyed Lord Rothermere's organ, my anger subsided. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233019 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 10:40:23 +0000 chdot 233019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just noticed this hyper-nonsense from the arch climate-change-denier -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Back in London, the former Chancellor Lord Lawson went so far in a debate in the House of Lords as to suggest that cycle lanes were doing more damage to the capital than ‘almost anything since the Blitz’.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233011 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 10:03:16 +0000 fimm 233011@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC. +10000<br /> I don't click on Daily Mail links. Ever. I don't care what the "story" is about, I'm not giving them the benefit of my mouse clicks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233009 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:58:58 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 233009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh for god's sake, this is all just so ridiculously mindless. Mind you, I wouldn't expect anything else from the Wail.</p> <p>It's not a case of recording the events of the day; it's simply a case of having an agenda (immigrants, terrorism, cyclists) and creating something to record. How on earth do they continue to get away with it? The PCC is toothless, and sadly reporting them for illustrating a story with a picture from more than 4 years ago which might not (definitely won't) be representative of the situation now is ridiculous.</p> <p>And why go to the expense of a photographer when a Google Maps image, which may have been captured at 7.30pm when everyone is having their dinner, the lane being full to bursting 2 hours earlier, will do the job of fitting in with your agenda?</p> <p>It's an utter rag, only interested in spreading hatred and fear, and if I was in charge I wouldn't just get it shut down, with those in charge locked up for inciting that hatred and fear, I'd torch the building and replace it with a swanky free-to-stay-in asylum centre with an infinity pool on the roof, paid for from an increased tax on Middle England.</p> <p>B*stards.</p> <p>(sorry, I <em>really</em> hate the Daily Wail) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233008 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:57:55 +0000 nobrakes 233008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Against this background, motorists are struggling to understand how spending money to further reduce the capacity of the roads can possibly be the way to solve an immediate problem."</p> <p>Against this background, cyclists are struggling to understand how 'solving' an immediate problem is anything other than a sticking plaster to ignore the root cause of the actual problem. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233005 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:50:30 +0000 chdot 233005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course 'decorated' cycle paths are nothing new -</p> <p><a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map/national-cycle-network/art-network" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map/national-cycle-network/art-network</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233004 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:44:44 +0000 cb 233004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"If cycle tracks only lead from Merchiston to Gogarburn and Watsons then they'll just be decoration. </em>"</p> <p>Please can we have one of those. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233003 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:44:38 +0000 chdot 233003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or to put it another way!</p> <p>"</p> <p>Minorities are just as likely to cycle but often live in areas that lack bike infrastructure, says Stein. “We need to prioritise those with the most need by putting bike lanes into more working-class and immigrant neighbourhoods.”</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/oct/05/blame-bike-cycling-contribute-city-gentrification" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/oct/05/blame-bike-cycling-contribute-city-gentrification</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233001 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:38:00 +0000 chdot 233001@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If cycle tracks only lead from Merchiston to Gogarburn and Watsons then they'll just be decoration.</p> <p>That's a nice line. </p> <p>Not entirely true of course, but gets the message across. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-233000 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:37:50 +0000 Frenchy 233000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em><a href="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/05/01/008F466800000578-0-image-a-59_1475627282351.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/05/01/008F466800000578-0-image-a-59_1475627282351.jpg</a></em></p> <p><strong>Nobody</strong> on the opposite pavement. Get rid of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-232998 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:28:44 +0000 I were right about that saddle 232998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But this “cycling segregation” is a product of city planners prioritising the demands of real estate developers.....Rather than build bike lanes to connect marginalised communities with public transport, cycle paths are often used to encourage investment in gentrifying neighbourhoods.</em></p> <p>This, one thousand times, as a theme for PoP. If cycle tracks only lead from Merchiston to Gogarburn and Watsons then they'll just be decoration. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-232997 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:10:03 +0000 neddie 232997@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>‘We are not anti-cyclists by any means, but when you take away something like 25 per cent of the capacity, as they have in some places, nothing moves,’ he says.</em></p> <p>Except that the <em>capacity</em> of the road hasn't been reduced by 25%, it has in fact been increased due to 25% of the space being allocated to more space-efficient vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16989#post-232996 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:08:07 +0000 Morningsider 232996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps it's just me - but if every day involved me sitting in a car, crawling along at 2mph alongside an "empty" cycle superhighway, I would eventually give it a go.</p> <p>One of the great things about cycling in central London is you don't even need a bike. £2 gets you a day's worth of Boris biking - and there are annual passes available.</p> <p>Also, having used the new E-W route I can say it is the best cycle facility I have ever used and it seemed really popular. </p>