http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Easter Road/Carrington consultation en Tue, 19 May 2026 01:30:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-370410 Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:44:08 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 370410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So 7(!) years on from this consultation, we now have this:</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-police-headquarters-could-demolished-27707455" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-police-headquarters-could-demolished-27707455</a></p> <p>"Edinburgh police plan to abandon force headquarters as crumbling concrete found<br /> Police Scotland chiefs are now looking to start a consultation on "exiting" the Fettes base - which was the headquarters of the former Lothian and Borders force.<br /> Collapse-prone concrete has been found in 14 fire stations and three police stations including Police Scotland's Fettes building in Edinburgh, MSPs have been told.<br /> Fettes has been found to have reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete (Raac) in 10 areas in its roof, extending to more than 4,000 square metres.<br /> With the estimated cost of repair said to be just over £4 million, Police Scotland's chief financial officer James Gray told a Holyrood committee it is "not economically viable" to carry out the work."</p> <p>Time for CEC to create some facts on the <strike>ground</strike> road before <em>flats</em>? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-301598 Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:54:46 +0000 neddie 301598@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Carrington Road was closed at the junction with Crewe Rd South last week (not sure if it still is???). And I have to say it was lovely cycling along it without all the rat-running traffic. And the world did not end.</p> <p>Why not close it permanently at one end with bollards? Much quicker and cheaper than any fancy-pants segregation.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/SAAYWG"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7910/33209424628_39606bc251.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/SAAYWG">Untitled</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2dCKATE"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/46360874804_4c01eb8ba9.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2dCKATE">Untitled</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275354 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:28:38 +0000 McD 275354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've updated a copy of the Active Travel Capital Projects Status report October 2017 to <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NnzfzTxRl69-GlSOdylX9CwOsGYmILYT/view?usp=sharing">show in red the delayed projects</a> that I'm aware of. Are there any others? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275077 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:23:02 +0000 chdot 275077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/profscottthinks/status/963459306774548480" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/profscottthinks/status/963459306774548480</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275074 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:05:16 +0000 Klaxon 275074@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Correctly consulting is important, as it will shape a scheme and reduce objections.</p> <p>I didn't like many/any of the small interventions, they were the sort of crap that might have been built in the 90s like the Roseburn corner cut-off. However one must be pragmatic, sometimes there's budget for tinkering, and stuff like Easter Rd could have been built in no time at all after go-ahead. None of these schemes were major enough to warrant anything more than a consult - revise - statutory process - build cycle. </p> <p>Running consultations to waste time / budget, as these seem to have been in hindsight, could lead to increased consultation fatigue and mistrust in the system. </p> <p>Hopefully the refocus on major projects is real and it will be a much better way of spending money.</p> <p><em>Weren't the schemes being developed by external consultants anyway?</em></p> <p>Exactly - they were all AECOM. This isn't a council headcount matter. They were just bunged enough cash to launch the projects then abandoned. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275073 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:02:58 +0000 jonty 275073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Weren't the schemes being developed by external consultants anyway? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275072 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:37:17 +0000 Morningsider 275072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Could this be a new perpetual consultation-feedback loop? Council wins funding for new scheme, launches consultation, analyses feedback, wins funding for new scheme, abandons first scheme due to lack of staff, launches consultation, analyses feedback... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275068 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:42:21 +0000 crowriver 275068@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"stages of consultations to thwart the objections when they are lodged upon announcement that the changes are being made"</p> <p>This.</p> <p>If it works for Picardy Place... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275010 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:52:50 +0000 gembo 275010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fake consultations maybe? Or stages of consultations to thwart the objections when they are lodged upon announcement that the changes are being made.? One reason Skelf went ahead was the extensive consultations over a number of yeas </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-275008 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:27:22 +0000 neddie 275008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Carrington Rd doesn’t need expensive crazy segregated lanes, it just needs filtered. End of. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-274979 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:23:51 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 274979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Maybe they'd save money if they had fewer fake consultations?"</p> <p>This x1000</p> <p>I include the cycling ones in this as well as Picardy </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-274976 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:01:03 +0000 chdot 274976@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“I understand the staff shortages issue”</p> <p>To some extent that’s self-inflicted and lack of planning. Very clear more staff are NEEDED.</p> <p>AND there’s a Cycle Budget AND cycling meant be a CEC priority.</p> <p>“but this is about priorities: it seems that big projects and big money talks at CEC”</p> <p>Yep. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-274973 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:40:22 +0000 dougal 274973@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe they'd save money if they had fewer fake consultations? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011&page=2#post-274964 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:53:50 +0000 crowriver 274964@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aye everything's on hold because CEC got a big grant for a route up the Mound. </p> <p>More than a bit disappointing that improvements which have been on hold for 18 months already are to be postponed/mothballed for an as yet unspecified period. </p> <p>Meanwhile full steam ahead for Picardy Place, where of course the design work is being carried out by the developers...</p> <p>I understand the staff shortages issue but this is about priorities: it seems that big projects and big money talks at CEC. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-274957 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:26:11 +0000 gembo 274957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>See same delays in other threads, although this one is in the longest grass. Well the meadows to castle Tce will be mothballed as the meadows to George st could hang left at Royal mileand go down Johnston Tce and still be quite quiet except at tattoo </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-274954 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:14:14 +0000 davidsonsdave 274954@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Recieved today:</p> <p>CARRINGTON ROAD WALK AND CYCLE IMPROVEMENTS</p> <p>Dear Sir/Madam,</p> <p>I’m writing to you concerning the delay in the development of the designs for Carrington Road. You<br /> kindly responded to our consultation on the scheme back in Summer 2016.<br /> In the consultation documents we indicated our intention to complete the designs to the point where<br /> they are ready for a second consultation, with those whom expressed interest, and potential<br /> construction in 2017/18.<br /> Taking into account the feedback from consultation, the designs have been further refined.<br /> Unfortunately however, the project has had to be put on hold due to a lack of staff resources. As such<br /> we are not currently able to progress this scheme to completion of the detailed design and reissue it for<br /> consultation.<br /> It is our intention recommence the design process once staff resources permit. The consultation that we<br /> have already undertaken has been very useful in refining the designs and these will remain as part of<br /> the design process once the scheme is taken forward again.<br /> We appreciate your patience in the delay of delivering this project and hope to be to recommence work<br /> on it as soon as is possible. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-246668 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:40:05 +0000 himupstairs 246668@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The main improvement I and others seem to have suggested was the inclusion of a segregated directional lane on either side of Carrington road. </p> <p>This seems to still be absent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-246663 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:33:07 +0000 chdot 246663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-246645 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:05:25 +0000 Klaxon 246645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-carrington-road/consult_view/">Carrington Road</a></strong><br /> Changes to be included:<br />  We shall add an eastbound cycle lane across the junction of Crewe Road South.<br />  We shall also add a ‘keep clear’ area to Carrington Road between the right turn cycle lane and the segregated cycleway entrance. We shall also adjust the right turn lane area so that it is closer to the cycleway. Lengthen and widen weighting area.<br />  We will consider an early cycle release, to help people cycling cross the junction ahead of traffic.<br />  We shall remove the guardrail and parking outside this entrance. In place of the parking we shall install a build out of the pavement and install dropped kerbs for cycle and<br /> wheelchair access. To improve crossing conditions, we will also add build outs and dropped kerbs on the west side of the street, either side of the entrance to the police station.<br />  We shall add dropped kerbs on the west side of East Fettes Avenue, south of the proposed toucan crossing. This will allow people cycling to use the crossing or to make the right turn into Inverleith Park without using the crossing.<br />  We will consider locations for bike parking.<br />  We shall consider ways to increase the capacity of the waiting island for situations of multiple people cycling and bikes with trailers.<br />  To ensure ease of access for people cycling re-joining the carriageway, at the junction of East Fettes Avenue and Carrington Road, we shall widen the break the segregation to<br /> 4m.<br />  We shall add build outs at the entrance ways to Fettes School, as requested by the school (see consultation feedback below). These build outs shall be placed on both<br /> sides of the road and include dropped kerbs and informal crossings of the cycleway.<br />  We shall extend the double yellow lines at the west end of Carrington Road to ensure the cycleways will not be blocked.<br />  At the junction of Carrington Road and East Fettes Avenue, we shall move the proposed raised table to be in line with the junction mouth. At the same junction we shall increase<br /> the width of the entrance gap to the cycleway to improve access for people cycling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-236622 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:17:25 +0000 wingpig 236622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seeing as there's a 0.5m kerb between the road and the cycleway I'll grudgingly accept the 2.2m for now with a recommendation to widen it on the bends and at the ends(see also Mckelvie Parade). </p> <p><blockquote><em>"- The junction at the Craigleith side is a bit of a joke."</em></blockquote></p> <p>The only bit I'm going to recommend not bothering with for now is the red-paint-across-the-road-into-the-gutter-on-Craigleith-Hill-Avenue - there is usually something parked on the left within thirty metres, so I aim further north. They can paint the junction properly later when there's something on the west of it to join up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-236419 Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:04:10 +0000 chdot 236419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/797817870646394880" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/797817870646394880</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-235210 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:05:33 +0000 Stickman 235210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Why not just open the gates properly?"</p> <p>Looks like they are planning just that:</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17097" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17097</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-235137 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 10:51:13 +0000 chdot 235137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Carrington Road yesterday -</p> <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5545/30073324563_a5149c441a.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-235136 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 10:49:44 +0000 chdot 235136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Why not just throw open the gates properly?"</p> <p>Because people would drive in.</p> <p>But there must be a better way than this -</p> <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5603/30590686432_7c81903bba.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233865 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:10:57 +0000 Frenchy 233865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>At 2.2m the width is below the minimum specified</em></p> <p>I was slightly concerned about the 0.5m gap to the parked cars, but the scheme as a whole seems to be a large improvement, although I've never actually been down Carrington Road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233863 Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:50:43 +0000 davidsonsdave 233863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some thoughts on the Carrington Road scheme which is of interest to me as I use Carrington Road as part of my route to take the little ones to Inverleith Park/Botanic Gardens:</p> <p>1. At 2.2m the width is below the minimum specified in the <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0ahUKEwi5y_3G7NfPAhXMFsAKHaaeAIgQFgglMAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sustrans.org.uk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffile_content_type%2Fsustrans_handbook_for_cycle-friendly_design_11_04_14.pdf&amp;usg=AFQjCNGEfnAQcNcSHbgo8kG2hE8LhUXeFg&amp;cad=rja">Sustrans Guidance</a> and the Governments <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=5&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0ahUKEwi5y_3G7NfPAhXMFsAKHaaeAIgQFgg_MAQ&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fuploads%2Fsystem%2Fuploads%2Fattachment_data%2Ffile%2F329150%2Fltn-2-08_Cycle_infrastructure_design.pdf&amp;usg=AFQjCNEPnyspJJDcPLeTXI_BiEdMS0pIPA">Cycle infrastructure design</a> guidance. I use this route towing a child trailer which is 0.9m wide so would have concerns about hitting the kerb, other bikes/trailers coming the opposite way and overtaking bikes.</p> <p>2. The scheme isn't proposing to do anything regarding the access to Inverleith Park. Negotiating the entrance on bike is already tricky. With a trailer it is a complete pain and this will get much worse if this scheme encourages more folk to travel by bike (which I hope it will).</p> <p>3. Coming from the Crewe Road South side, the island in the middle of the road could quickly become congested if there are a few bikes there at the same time. A bit like the Hope Park Crescent lane, it also looks like they haven't allowed enough room for a bike with a trailer to perform the 90 degree turn which could leave me stuck half-in and half-out in a live traffic stream. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233753 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:58:32 +0000 Rob 233753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a shame it stops just at a conflict point. Hopefully the left turn ban will mean less oncoming traffic to force you uncomfortably close to parked cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233748 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:20:00 +0000 Klaxon 233748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's referring to Powderhall Waste Transfer Depot, where the bin lorries of Edinburgh deposit their contents to be compacted into shipping containers.</p> <p>These containers are sent six days a week by rail to the landfill site south-east of Dunbar.</p> <p>Once Powderhall closes there's no reason for that rail branch to stay open and hypothetically Chancelot path can be extended out all the way to Meadowbank via Leith Walk and Easter Rd. A useful link, when it comes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233747 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:10:03 +0000 gkgk 233747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry for beginner question but what's "the compactor"? Is it a bad road junction or an actual compactor? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17011#post-233697 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 13:12:30 +0000 crowriver 233697@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have completed the Carrington Road survey, supporting the proposals as they will make this road much, much safer for cyclists and will also improve the situation for pedestrians. </p>