http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: West Craigs Planning Application en Tue, 19 May 2026 09:59:24 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-332039 Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:52:05 +0000 acsimpson 332039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The plans are in for the Craigs Road/Maybury Road junction. As usual you wont be able to follow this link and will have to search under reference 20/01884/AMC <a href="citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&amp;keyVal=Q9UNCQEW09Z00">citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&amp;keyVal=Q9UNCQEW09Z0020/01884/AMC</a></p> <p>The junction has single stage crossings on all arms which is excellent, it will mean all arms go green at once facilitating diagonal crossing in a single phase if you desire.</p> <p>There is no pavement on the southern edge of Craigs Road for the first section but I can't think of any journeys where this would be a problem because there will be an entrance to the estate further south.</p> <p>Cammo Walk retains vehicle access which I thought was being removed but that was part of the Cammo development so I guess unrelated to this. My only real complaint about the design is that Cammo Walk will have a raised table to cross the SUP but it doesn't appear to give visual priority to the path.</p> <p>The application is open for comments until the end of the month. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-330843 Thu, 28 May 2020 18:12:25 +0000 CycleAlex 330843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson I didn't, PM'd you my email if you had a moment to send it along though (thanks!). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-330811 Thu, 28 May 2020 15:59:48 +0000 acsimpson 330811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah, that would make sense. The Maybury Road transport feasibility study includes one at the junction.</p> <p>Did you manage to obtain a copy of the study report? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-330781 Thu, 28 May 2020 12:12:33 +0000 CycleAlex 330781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>lack of a pedestrian crossing of Maybury Road at the Southern path exit.</blockquote>In the legal agreement from <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&amp;keyVal=OGU8SBEWFP200">16/05681/PPP</a> there's a developer contribution of £50,000 for a toucan there. I assume it's not in the plans as CEC will built it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-330747 Wed, 27 May 2020 19:55:21 +0000 acsimpson 330747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It generally looks quite good. 2 minor niggles are the sharp bend in the cycle path at the north west corner and the lack of a pedestrian crossing of Maybury Road at the Southern path exit.</p> <p>South Maybury Road now looks like it will become wooded on both sides which goes against the Council talk of making it more urbanised. The images look like Dreghorn Link. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-330737 Wed, 27 May 2020 16:06:45 +0000 CycleAlex 330737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&amp;keyVal=PZRYKFEWG2S00">19/05051/AMC</a> approved for the Taylor Wimpey site. First time I've had a look at it and it seems fairly decent really. Delineated paths, parallel crossings and a new signalised junction where it can be a bit of a pain to cross at the moment.</p> <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/B6B6FDE33605844405503836455881F5/pdf/19_05051_AMC-03B__DEVELOPMENT_LAYOUT-4514777.pdf">03B) DEVELOPMENT LAYOUT</a> gives an overview. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326610 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 14:54:12 +0000 Frenchy 326610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good work! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326609 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 14:49:43 +0000 HankChief 326609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good news (and a fast response from the developer)</p> <p>Chicanes seen on the map will be a single bollard :)</p> <p>Connecting to paths further West is a question for CEC. I will ask... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326542 Wed, 01 Apr 2020 21:57:49 +0000 HankChief 326542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Frenchy - I have asked why the chicane is necessary.</p> <p>I've also asked how Crosseind will link up with the bridge.</p> <p>Will let you know.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326473 Wed, 01 Apr 2020 11:23:40 +0000 Frenchy 326473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the north side of @CycleAlex's diagram, what's the deal with the wee path on the east side, goes under the bridge, and then joins the larger path on the west side? Why not just connect to the north end of the path coming over the bridge?</p> <p>Also looks like a chicane barrier on the western path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326465 Wed, 01 Apr 2020 10:57:06 +0000 acsimpson 326465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@hankchief, yes steps good and avoid a desire line forming.</p> <p>Corkscrew no big deal but good to know there was a reason.</p> <p>Perhaps they need to formalise the route past the station and put in zebra stripes to remind bikes to give way to pedestrians going to/from tram. I suspect that is outside the scope though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326427 Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:27:38 +0000 HankChief 326427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Ac I did ask why there was a corkscrew, but I can't remember what the answer was. I think I was satisfied with it, which would mean it was sensible...</p> <p>I'm pretty sure we also talked about routes further West but my mind is drawing a blank on that too.</p> <p>One thing I do remember is asking for, and now getting, is steps for those who want a more direct route, so I'll take that as a win. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326401 Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:36:52 +0000 acsimpson 326401@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good spot Cyclealex,</p> <p>It's good to see that it is on the factory boundary rather than where the existing bridge is.</p> <p>I wonder why they feel the need to spiral the path at the south rather than just bend it round. There's no shortage of space.</p> <p>The path then heads to the station where they instruct you to dismount before riding past. Rather than going straight to the A8 path. I suppose it makes sense as the bridge is aiming to connect to the underpass but still likely to lead to some conflict outside the station. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-326383 Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:48:35 +0000 CycleAlex 326383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Planning application for the ped/cycle bridge of the railway: 20/01148/AMC / <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&amp;keyVal=Q6X3E6EWL2200" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&amp;keyVal=Q6X3E6EWL2200</a></p> <p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/PrrXmm4.png"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-316001 Fri, 18 Oct 2019 01:19:37 +0000 acsimpson 316001@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I got a reply saying I'm too late but that this is purely to do with access roads and no widening is planned.</p> <p>The worst case would be the West pavement being unusable as I don't think the East is affected. Although it has more pedestrians so likely to cause conflict. The next best would be temporary changes which accommodate pedestrians but are awkward for bikes.</p> <p>The final design will incorporate a shared space but with numerous road crossings. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-315977 Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:58:50 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 315977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My concern would be if the existing footway is ripped up or otherwise denied to use before the new path is constructed. As previous threads have shown, many people feel safer cycling on the footway than in the carriageway there, not surprisingly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-315972 Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:28:52 +0000 jonty 315972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looking more closely at it, most of the redetermination seems to be verge. This matches up with the planning permission, which has the road staying the same width but the path being set back from the road as a verge.</p> <p>The reason the RSO seems misleading is possibly because footway -&gt; verge isn't really a redetermination (I guess they're both types of footway really?), so the only real redetermination that is happening is footway -&gt; road for the junctions. </p> <p>Still a bit odd as most of the road will still be hatching anyway! Perhaps worth objecting on those grounds but, as I say, not as bad as it looks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-315968 Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:00:34 +0000 CycleAlex 315968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think for an RSO it's anything? TRO has specifics. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-315967 Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:28 +0000 acsimpson 315967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Jonty. At a glance on my phone it appears to be what you are describing. If that's so it's the first I have heard of it.</p> <p>I have put an objection in too, although as it's late and I'm not a shopkeeper I suspect it will be dismissed. I can recall the statutory grounds for objection. Is removal of parking one? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-315736 Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:33:43 +0000 jonty 315736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An RSO has been published which I think relates to this...</p> <p><a href="https://www.tellmescotland.gov.uk/notices/city-of-edinburgh/traffic/00000217832" rel="nofollow">https://www.tellmescotland.gov.uk/notices/city-of-edinburgh/traffic/00000217832</a></p> <p>The statement of reasons seems to suggest they're just redetermining a bit of pavement as road to form a new access road, but it seems to be getting rid of huge swathes of pavement on Maybury Road to widen the road.</p> <p>I think there's a new path proposed further in, but I've no idea why the roads need to be widened. I thought the planning application said it was going down to two lanes with central turn lanes, which would surely require a <em>narrower</em> road if anything.</p> <p>Anybody got any more context? I will probably object. Will be interesting to see if this causes three years of delay to the whole project or if it's only certain objections to certain projects which cause that... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-296629 Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:18:42 +0000 acsimpson 296629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It looks like this one is still rumbling on. Meanwhile the developers have submitted a sneaky proposal for the land north of Craigs Road which they tried to get in under the radar (<a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19305&amp;replies=2#post-296627">3rd Dec 2018 Consultation on New Development on Maybury Road</a>.)</p> <p>The latest on West Craigs is a meeting scheduled for January:<br /> <em>"It seems to the reporters that the only significant area of dispute is the education contribution. They have considered the submissions from both parties in this regard. However, the individual positions of the parties are not easy to reconcile with the previous evidence, the previous heads of terms or the notice of intention. Indeed, they raise further questions in the minds of the reporters.</p> <p>Accordingly, rather than requesting further written submissions, the reporters consider that the most efficient and effective way for them to close out this matter is to reopen the hearing purely to discuss education contributions. The reporters propose either Tuesday 22 or Wednesday 23 January 2019 for the hearing which should last no more than half a day. Please advise your availability as soon as possible so"</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035&page=2#post-290030 Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:04:27 +0000 acsimpson 290030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From what I can see on the council and DPEA sites for the larger part of the West Craigs site:<br /> On the council site there is correspondence from the end of July when the developers wrote to the council requesting that the deadline be extended by 2 months (8th October rather than 8th August). The council agreed this although no reason appears in the letter.<br /> The DPEA meanwhile has extended their deadline to the 21st of September. At the glance the correspondence on their site seems to point mainly to disagreements around education as the reason.</p> <p>For the small Taylor Wimpey plot adjacent to Maybury Road. The council planning site suggest that the Planning in principal application is "Minded to grant". They will then need to apply for detailed planning permission. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-290000 Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:06:21 +0000 HankChief 290000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acs - I thought they had the green light? What are they waiting for? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-289955 Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:15:44 +0000 acsimpson 289955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought it must be about time for the planning notice to be issued for West Craigs. Sure enough it was but there is an update on the dpea site:</p> <p><a href="https://www.dpea.scotland.gov.uk/CaseDetails.aspx?id=118131"><em>*Update 17 August 2018* The reporters have agreed to an extension of time until 21 September 2018 to allow parties to reach agreement.</em></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-284648 Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:52:16 +0000 acsimpson 284648@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie, Where did you pull that quote from? I can't currently locate it.</p> <p>The way I understand it is that one of the conditions for the much larger part of West Craigs will be to build that bridge. The SG reporter has listed it as a clause which should be on their planning permission.</p> <p>Although the smaller Taylor Wimpey development may have made noises regarding the bridge and might even part fund it via their developer contributions it is not something they will be required to build as part of this development. If they are applying pressure for it to be built sooner rather than later it is presumably because they recognise it makes their site far more attractive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-284605 Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:36:28 +0000 neddie 284605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>As an integral part of our planning appeal “planning gain” package we have agreed to seek to deliver a new pedestrian / cycle footbridge over the railway west of Edinburgh Gateway</em></p> <p>"seek to deliver" ?</p> <p>What does that mean? Just waffle, or an actual requirement? One to keep an eye on... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-284292 Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:18:46 +0000 chdot 284292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A PLAN to build up to 250 homes on the Western edge of Edinburgh has been passed by the city council. </p> <p>A row erupted after councillors called on developers Taylor Wimpey Homes to investigate cycling infrastructure as part of the outline planning permission for the homes at West Craigs, to the west of Maybury Road.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/plan-for-250-new-homes-at-west-craigs-given-green-light-1-4750857" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/plan-for-250-new-homes-at-west-craigs-given-green-light-1-4750857</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-284242 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:51:03 +0000 acsimpson 284242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>excellent links to the adjacent tramline, railway station and bus routes</em></p> <p>Unless they build a bridge over the railway line (which they aren't doing*) then calling the links to the tram and train excellent it stretching it a little. Calling them adjacent is just blatent fibbing. There is nothing excellent about the pavement on Maybury Road. Likewise pluralising bus routes is a bit imaginative.</p> <p>* The larger part of the West Craigs land will hopefully be doing it but that is unapproved so far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-284183 Wed, 06 Jun 2018 08:18:20 +0000 chdot 284183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>“We’re hopeful that work could start on these much-needed new homes as early next year if approved, and that includes over 50 new affordable homes, as well as nearly 200 homes for sale. “We believe that this site is the most sustainable site outside the centre of Edinburgh with excellent links to the adjacent tramline, railway station and bus routes.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/hundreds-of-family-homes-proposed-for-west-craigs-site-1-4750043" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/business/hundreds-of-family-homes-proposed-for-west-craigs-site-1-4750043</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17035#post-282009 Mon, 07 May 2018 09:55:24 +0000 chdot 282009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Plans also include connections to a pedestrian/cycle bridge link to the Edinburgh Gateway Station and onward connection to the Gyle Shopping Centre, Edinburgh Park and International Business Gateway as well as a new 30m wide green network link from the proposed pedestrian/cycle bridge through the Maybury site to connect via Cammo Walk and Cammo Estate park. </p> <p>The West Craig decision comes as controversial proposals to build more than 1300 homes on green belt land surrounding the Capital by a former owner of Rangers Football Club have also been put in front Scottish ministers. </p> <p>“ </p>