http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: QR8 improvements consultation en Tue, 19 May 2026 12:39:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-316231 Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:02:12 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 316231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't see how bollards are going to help with making peds and cyclists look both ways for trams before crossing. Indeed, for cyclists, they'll be a near-field distraction to navigate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-316223 Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:09:55 +0000 chrisfl 316223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and it looks like they're going ahead with installing the bollards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-315412 Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:08:26 +0000 Frenchy 315412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If only there were some sort of national standard for such gaps.</p> <p>Say, on page 77 of a document called <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/14173/cycling_by_design_2010__rev_1__june_2011_.pdf"><em>Cycling by Design</em>.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-315410 Tue, 08 Oct 2019 09:54:11 +0000 chrisfl 315410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did some measuring this morning, the gap between the central bollard and the side bollards varies massivly, as large as 1m90 one side of the tram at Edinburgh Park and then 90cm the other and 1m29, 1m25, 1m8cm and 1m02 at the crossing before Edinburgh Park station.</p> <p>I also measured a gap at the side to the bollard of 69cm at Edinburgh Park. </p> <p>I think some of these will be difficult on a normal bike let alone a Cargo Bike or Tandem. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-315245 Fri, 04 Oct 2019 20:52:11 +0000 HankChief 315245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I get why they are doing 'something' but ai don't see why they are bollarding it to the point of unusability </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-315235 Fri, 04 Oct 2019 19:35:14 +0000 CycleAlex 315235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The RAIB highlighted a lack of barriers to force people to change direction when approaching tramway crossings in their report on the person that sadly died nearby. I imagine this is a response to that </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038&page=2#post-315233 Fri, 04 Oct 2019 19:29:18 +0000 HankChief 315233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The tramway crossings have been marked out as a bollard hot spot and a no go route for cargo/long bikes :-(</p> <p>Cllr Mcinnes has been appealed to, to prevent the change, but appears to be Edinburgh Trams doing...</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/PeterTBBrett/status/1180037131684794368?s=19" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/PeterTBBrett/status/1180037131684794368?s=19</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-310781 Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:57:38 +0000 acsimpson 310781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Paulmilne, I think legitimising customary behaviour justifies it. There is always a risk from a disgruntled driver who was annoyed by a cyclist using the pedestrian crossing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-310292 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 14:53:25 +0000 SRD 310292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and rationalising the scheme... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-310285 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 13:37:43 +0000 paulmilne 310285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Going by there every work day I can testify that the current crossing is pretty much used as a toucan without exception, so not sure what actual difference this will make, apart from legitimising customary behaviour. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-310249 Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:07:29 +0000 Stickman 310249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Work has started on upgrading the Balgreen crossing to a toucan. Expected to finish 19th July. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-307137 Mon, 20 May 2019 23:49:40 +0000 CycleAlex 307137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have the council given up on the toucan crossing at Balgreen Road? Seems like a relatively small change and yet two years later... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283642 Wed, 30 May 2018 16:05:23 +0000 Stickman 283642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@paulmilne - one of the buildings is used by the cricket clubs. </p> <p>Friends of Roseburn Park want to turn the smallest one into a cafe. If that happens then something will have to be done about a cycle route - maybe take part of the grassed area? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283641 Wed, 30 May 2018 15:42:24 +0000 paulmilne 283641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie, yes, I stand corrected. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283618 Wed, 30 May 2018 13:20:23 +0000 Rosie 283618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie - Yes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283617 Wed, 30 May 2018 13:12:34 +0000 neddie 283617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The safe lane along the A8 "only" has to get as far as Riversdale Cres to bypass the park, even if heading on to the Balgreen path, no? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283615 Wed, 30 May 2018 13:07:18 +0000 paulmilne 283615@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My problem with moving the commuters (me) out of the park onto the A8 even after the CCWEL is one of the wider network. I use the park to get to the access of the shared use path by the tramline via Balgreen Road. Even if I used the A8 post CCWEL I'd still have to get down the way to my destination (Saughton House). </p> <p>I do try to go at a reasonably slow speed through the park if there are other users, and take care weaving through the building. Are the buildings actually used for anything? Maybe they could be removed to improve sightlines and reduce visual clutter for everyone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283613 Wed, 30 May 2018 12:07:18 +0000 Rosie 283613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Stickman - I have the impression of people going too fast past the buildings as well. I hate tactiles anywhere but I think they are statutory on shared paths eg the tramway from Balgreen. I would certainly agree about getting the commuters out &amp; can see that being a logical development after the CCWEL is built, though of course the "Community" would hate it. Certainly there's conflict in the Park, which should be for gentle leisure cycling, not commuting. Would you have any suggestions about the layout, other than knocking down those buildings? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-283610 Wed, 30 May 2018 11:15:37 +0000 Stickman 283610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Received a survey asking for views on the layout in Roseburn Park. I responded to say that I didn't think it was working (it encourages people to cycle faster past the buildings as they may assume no one is walking on the bike side, and that the tactiles were rubbish and I always try to avoid the ones on the bike side). Also said that if they want to get fast cyclists (mostly commuters) out of the park then build a safe lane on the A8. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-281238 Fri, 27 Apr 2018 13:20:45 +0000 Stickman 281238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The statutory notices for making the crossing at Balgreen a toucan have been stuck to the poles there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-273379 Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:01:23 +0000 neddie 273379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The consultation appears to have been updated, but now only contains the upgrade of the Balgreen crossing to Toucan</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cycle-walk-design-balgreen-rd-fd/consult_view/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cycle-walk-design-balgreen-rd-fd/consult_view/</a></p> <p>For reference, the original consultation is here: <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-balgreen-road/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-balgreen-road/</a></p> <p>The earlier consultation dealt with many issues from the riverside, across Balgreen Road, Whitson Road and finishing on Stenhouse Drive near the point it meets the tram line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-246660 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:30:44 +0000 chdot 246660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does any or all of that represent and satisfy the views of anyone on here who commented? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-246644 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:04:17 +0000 Klaxon 246644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-bankhead/consult_view/">Bankhead Drive, Bankhead Avenue and South Gyle Access</a></strong></p> <p>Changes to be included:<br />  We shall consider a continuous footway at Makro.<br />  Additional signage and ground markings shall be added along all new sections of shared<br /> use pavement.<br />  The new proposed crossing, at the entrance to Forrester High School, shall be a toucan<br /> crossing.<br />  A decluttering assessment of existing street furniture shall be undertaken.</p> <p><strong><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-balgreen-road/consult_view/">Balgreen Road</a></strong><br /> Changes to be included:<br />  We shall change the design to bring the pavement entry/exit point on Baird Drive further<br /> east, away from the junction. This will make it safer and easier for cyclists to join the<br /> crossing from Baird Drive and rejoin the road (Baird Drive) from the pavement.<br />  We shall include dropped kerbs and shared use re-determination along the widened<br /> section of pavement between Saughton Hall Drive and the crossing of Balgreen Road.<br /> This shall provide the access that you have highlighted.</p> <p><strong><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-roseburn-park/consult_view/">Roseburn Park</a></strong><br /> Changes to be included:<br /> There are no changes that shall be made to the current proposals. However, this is a 3 month trial and<br /> we shall evaluate its effectiveness and reopen the consultation for further feedback before proposing a<br /> permanent solution. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-243517 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:17:25 +0000 neddie 243517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Roseburn Park consultation closes on Sunday</p> <p>(Note: this is the reopened consultation - the previous consultation results have been lost) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-241528 Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:26:24 +0000 neddie 241528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This consultation has reopened, due to CEC losing the previous results, as mentioned by Rosie here:<br /> <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17102&amp;page=2#post-241291" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17102&amp;page=2#post-241291</a></p> <p>ROSEBURN PARK CONSULTATION RE-OPENED<br /> NOW FROM 20 JANUARY TO 26 FEBRUARY</p> <p>A copy of the leaflet is here:<br /> <a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1701-Roseburn-Park-second-consultation-public-leaflet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1701-Roseburn-Park-second-consultation-public-leaflet.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-234137 Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:56:14 +0000 chdot 234137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course not so many 'fast commuters' would go through Roseburn Park if there was a segregated cycle lane along the A8 - even just as far as Riversdale Crescent.</p> <p>Might have to start on Roseburn Terrace... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-234130 Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:27:17 +0000 steveo 234130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So "official" CCE response: "Yawn, more of the same". "Please stop wasting the money we fought hard to secure" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-234127 Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:07:17 +0000 threefromleith 234127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They're finally moving the telecoms cabinets out of the centre of the cycle side of the shared path at South Gyle Access! It's a bleedin' miracle!</p> <p>Sadly, I don't think much of the rest of 'improvements' around the 2-stage crossing with the central islands. A proper improvement would be the creation of a cycling 'flyover' of the road there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-234122 Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:26:48 +0000 Stickman 234122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't think I've seen anyone dismount for the Balgreen Crossing. There is a nicely ambiguous sign on Baird Drive saying "Cyclists use crossing". </p> <p>The Roseburn Park segregation seems a waste of time and money given the state the park is in just now and potential plans which will involve the rugby team building a pavilion/a cafe opening in the old toilet block/the block being demolished. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17038#post-234121 Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:15:52 +0000 Dave 234121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>LOL. Only in Edinburgh would we build a massive segregated cycle facility then forget the crossing at the end. </p>