http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Sustrans Route 1 - Ferry Toll path en Tue, 19 May 2026 10:47:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236890 Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:42:37 +0000 minus six 236890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>they are large red rectangular temporary signs, but text is specific to the path in question, ie. not generic, not temporary re-routing </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236888 Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:05:02 +0000 chdot 236888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"black masking tape now obscures all the "PEDESTRIANS / CYCLISTS" text on the signage..."</p> <p>Are these 'proper' signs or just temporary? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236886 Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:47:10 +0000 DaveC 236886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Your e-mail will now be forwarded to the appropriate person within the agency for them to take any action. If a response is required this will be given within 20 working days.</p> <p>Thank you.</p> <p>Transport Scotland:</p> <p>0141 272 7100</p> <p>hmm..... </em>"</p> <p>It appear no response is warrented? I may try this new email address. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236885 Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:34:20 +0000 minus six 236885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The paraphrased update to my B980 queries is as follows:</p> <p>[fcbcjv] we don't have to answer your questions as the path you describe is only a footway, not designated as shared use</p> <p>[bax] but there's large red signage at the southern end beckoning PEDESTRIANS / CYCLISTS this way and a big arrow pointing up the path in question </p> <p>[fcbcjv] ... two days of silence ... nada</p> <p>then...</p> <p>black masking tape now obscures all the "PEDESTRIANS / CYCLISTS" text on the signage...</p> <p>* sigh * </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236516 Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:20:26 +0000 minus six 236516@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>aye tis the constructors project domain</p> <p><a href="http://mit.fcbcjv.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://mit.fcbcjv.co.uk/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236512 Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:44:17 +0000 Frenchy 236512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>noteworthy that's the direct email address for all your ferrytoll reconstruction project related concerns</em></p> <p>I genuinely thought you'd just lazily smashed your hand on the keyboard instead of typing out forthreplacementcrossing.info </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236503 Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:14:54 +0000 minus six 236503@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>prompt reply from <a href="mailto:enquiries@fcbcjv.co.uk">enquiries@fcbcjv.co.uk</a></p> <p>noteworthy that's the direct email address for all your ferrytoll reconstruction project related concerns</p> <p>i'll feed back later, still in dialogue on the B980 front meantime </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236310 Sat, 12 Nov 2016 14:34:52 +0000 chdot 236310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I look forward to the reply!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-236307 Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:12:40 +0000 minus six 236307@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dear <a href="mailto:enquiries@forthreplacementcrossing.info">enquiries@forthreplacementcrossing.info</a> -</p> <p>As part of the reconstruction of the B980 between Castlandhill Road and Ferrytoll, you've built a shared use path intended for cycle traffic.</p> <p>The northern end of the shared use path at Castlandhill has no dropped kerb for entry or exit to access the cycle path - has this been noted, and when will this be remedied?</p> <p>Since the cycle path has been installed, its been dug up again in various sections for pipes, leaving only hardcore fill across its width. When will this be remedied?</p> <p>There are several junctions along the cycle path, leading to barely used fields / gates. Why has the cycle path been constructed to give way at each of these junctions? Why is it not continuous, as would be expected alongside the B980?</p> <p>The give way junctions to nowhere are often blocked by parked trailer lorries, rendering the cycle path inaccessible and unusable. What measures will you introduce to prevent this?</p> <p>Given the barriers to path use described above (no dropped kerb, unnecessary yielding at little used junctions, parked lorries and cars blocking junctions to nowhere) - please explain how your design has considered or met the sustainable travel hierarchy promoted by Transport Scotland's National Strategy, which claims to promote planning for cycling and walking in preference to car use? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235948 Tue, 08 Nov 2016 18:30:54 +0000 acsimpson 235948@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Excuse me for going back on topic briefly. I noticed this morning that the signs at the zebra crossing direct "Pedestrians and Waling Cyclists". It raises a whole raft of when is a pedestrian not a pedestrian style questions but does confirm that they presumably expect mounted cyclists to remain on the road for the time being. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235944 Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:51:47 +0000 paddyirish 235944@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>outstanding work @Frenchy. </p> <p>Bike over the shoulder? If Danny MaCaskill can do it on the Inn Pinn...</p> <p>The only concern I have is that the route follows the A84 more than I would like, which I've always imagined to be very unpleasant to cycle. But there doesn't seem to be much alternative. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235943 Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:42:31 +0000 Frenchy 235943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Checked with Stirling Council that the wee bridge next to the M9 is crossable:</p> <p>"Thanks for your email.</p> <p>Whilst you can walk across it you cannot cycle across it as there are steps and the bridge is too narrow to accommodate a cycle.</p> <p>The bridge is a Scottish Water Pipe with attached access bridge it was designed to allow their staff to access either side of the river rather than to promote access.</p> <p>Hope this helps." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235749 Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:39:19 +0000 Frenchy 235749@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looking at the proposed route - I'd change it only a wee bit. If we start and finish in Inverkeithing, we can cross the new bridge in both directions, southbound in the morning, northbound when we're finishing. </p> <p>This also means we can cross the Clackmannanshire bridge on the outward leg and the Kincardine bridge on the return leg, which makes the route slightly more aesthetically pleasing, which is of course <em>incredibly</em> important... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235703 Sat, 05 Nov 2016 20:09:45 +0000 chdot 235703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And another -</p> <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5650/30760134456_f2e5c5ef18.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073&page=2#post-235702 Sat, 05 Nov 2016 20:01:46 +0000 chdot 235702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the Forth's bridges -</p> <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5609/30760261516_afc8fc671e.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235524 Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:38:46 +0000 SimonS 235524@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Missed that one! it can be included by taking the railway path further north then using this bridge to link to the bridge into Aberfoyle from the south. OpenCyclyMap.org has it as a cycle path.</p> <p>Route renamed to Forth's 22nd. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235519 Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:56:09 +0000 paddyirish 235519@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd definitely be up for this. Thanks @SimonS for route work.</p> <p>Looks like there is one more bridge SE of Doon Hill which is just SE of Aberfoyle. Looks like it is accessible by path, what quality I'm not sure... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235476 Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:32:12 +0000 Frenchy 235476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There are two sections that might not be suitable for road bikes. The path to the cycle/foot bridge alongside the M9 and the old railway path north from Buchlyvie towards Aberfoyle.</em></p> <p><a href="http://www.buchlyvie.info/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=100%3Athe-old-railway-line-to-aberfoyle&amp;catid=43&amp;Itemid=73">This website</a> says that the Buchlyvie-Aberfoyle path is tarmac on the north side of the Forth, and on the south is "rough gravel, which drains reasonably well, so it’s never too wet." Also confirms that there is a bridge over the Forth here, which isn't actually on OSM (yet, I'll try and fix it).</p> <p>So I think road bikes will survive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235473 Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:00:48 +0000 amir 235473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SimonS for an even longer route, perhaps it could include the ferry crossing between Anstuther and N Berwick. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235464 Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:30:58 +0000 panyagua 235464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SimonS</p> <p>Great work. I'd love to do this if the QC opening to cyclists coincides with a window in my diary.</p> <p>@Frenchy</p> <p>OSM shows it as a cycle path, even though on StreetView it looks as though it just carries a pipe. Hopefully doesn't require Danny McAskill-esque skills to cross it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235439 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:36:15 +0000 Frenchy 235439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is that bridge just to the east of the M9 crossable? Doesn't look like it from the Google Street View taken from the M9.</p> <p>Would this be better in its own thread? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235419 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:35:50 +0000 SimonS 235419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about this as a first draft for (nearly) every bridge on the forth?</p> <p><a href="http://www.strava.com/routes/6938429" rel="nofollow">http://www.strava.com/routes/6938429</a></p> <p>Start at Dalmeny. A detour into the Bathgate Alps to bump the route over 200km then every crossing of the Forth except the Stirling railway bridge and the M9.</p> <p>There are two sections that might not be suitable for road bikes. The path to the cycle/foot bridge alongside the M9 and the old railway path north from Buchlyvie towards Aberfoyle.</p> <p>Given that we will not have too much notice of the available dates for the Queensferry crossing I would think that this would best be done as a DIY mandatory GPS?</p> <p>As it finishes in Inverkeithing you can nab the Rail bridge (the 21st crossing) on the way back to the start. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235370 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:30:41 +0000 panyagua 235370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@paddyirish</p> <p>If you use a Garmin GPS (other brands are available) with barometric altimeter, it will use this in preference to the map data, so the actual bridge elevation is shown. It can be improved by setting a known elevation point.</p> <p>See for example here:</p> <p><a href="https://www.strava.com/activities/763414252">https://www.strava.com/activities/763414252</a></p> <p>Height gain approx 27m heading north </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235368 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:04:46 +0000 paddyirish 235368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Like everyone's style here. A multiple crossings ride really does appeal - I wonder if it could be combined with the Ainster- North Berwick Ferry?</p> <p>Everesting will be tricky - with current Strava settings. On current FRB you ride on water and then jump 50m back onto land... My guess is that the actual height gain is ~ 20m heading South and ~15m going North? Anyone know any better? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235366 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:01:13 +0000 HankChief 235366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or until Willie Rennie heads home from POP2017 ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235363 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:46:28 +0000 biggles1982 235363@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>acsimpson - that's exactly what I was thinking grab the Everest title and see if you can get the Strava KOM as well then you'll have it for eternity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235319 Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:13:24 +0000 minus six 235319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>notably no cyclists skirting the interchange in their video</p> <p>its a jealous god, this Transport Scotland deity.</p> <p>thou shalt not commit bikery </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235242 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:44:46 +0000 acsimpson 235242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you wanted to minimise the number of cyclists using the Forth Road Bridge would you make any changes to the design at the start of this video?</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtpaOAhZzk" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtpaOAhZzk</a></p> <p>.</p> <p>It looks like at least 5 toucan crossings and a reasonable diversion on the shared use route from FRB to Rosyth. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235240 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:38:20 +0000 acsimpson 235240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure Aberfoyle is within reach for some on this forum. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity after all.</p> <p>Wikipedia doesn't mention the altitude gain on the roadway. Would anyone care to guess the number of crossings required for to Everest the Queesnferry crossing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17073#post-235236 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:08:45 +0000 Frenchy 235236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>2,700 metres according to wikipedia (1400km=519 crossings).</p> <p>@paddyirish - it seems a shame to go all that way and not do the extra few miles necessary to cross the A9 and A91 bridges in Stirling too. Maybe even the footbridge to Cambuskenneth too - although that's an even number of crossings in Stirling, so messes the overall route up a bit more. </p>