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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: 200m http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: 200m en Tue, 19 May 2026 11:28:48 +0000 Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-239385 Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:40:32 +0000 Frenchy 239385@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks, that was very useful. Pretty much every "cycleway" inside of the bypass now has a surface tag. There's a few I couldn't do, as I didn't know the path and you can't see it from Google Street View, but the vast majority are now done. "Paths" and "footways" aren't done yet. rbrtwtmn on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-239026 Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:16:09 +0000 rbrtwtmn 239026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Frenchy - the overpass turbo question answered by this query: <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kDu" rel="nofollow">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kDu</a> Using: way [!surface] {color:red;} I also set this to query for 'path' and 'footway'. I didn't know this already - just did a search on the MapCSS page: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapCSS/0.2" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapCSS/0.2</a> If anyone wants to do more full analysis of this data it's relatively easy (in the scheme of things as a GIS task) to download the data into QGIS GIS software and measure the lines. Not offering to do this though. GIS tasks have a habit of taking 10 times as long as you think they will. chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238994 Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:22:20 +0000 chdot 238994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ " Over 100 miles of paths allow riders to avoid traffic and take in some of the most beautiful parts of the city. " <a href="https://uk-keepexploring.canada.travel/things-to-do/outdoor-adventure-heart-ottawa" rel="nofollow">https://uk-keepexploring.canada.travel/things-to-do/outdoor-adventure-heart-ottawa</a> jonty on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238961 Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:08:23 +0000 jonty 238961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ So adding up every bit of path CEC counts as <a href="http://edinburghcouncilmaps.info/LocalViewExt/Sites/Atlas/?x=325533.59050161915&y=672549.9200679836&sr=27700&lod=1&scale=96000.00000000009&width=35610.871221742476&layers=layer1%3A142&bmid=a78cd0de-6238-4f60-8de2-fca4e41204f9">Cycle Facillities Off-Road</a> comes to roughly 126mi. Taking away 3mi of Forth Bridge paths which are shown on that map but which are presumably not the responsibility of CEC we get to the figure of 123mi from the FOI request. It's interesting what is and isn't counted on the CEC map. Some of it is (like the paths out at Crammond) is marked as MTB-only on OSM! jonty on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238858 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 23:59:55 +0000 jonty 238858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The total length of all ways in OSM with either <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway">"highway=cycleway" </a>(rough definition: bits of non-road with pictures of bikes painted on them) or <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated">"bicycle=designated"</a> (rough definition: bits of path which have shared use signs next to them) within the CEC boundary is 166km or 103 miles. That includes small bits of (I think) misclassified on-road bike lane, so we're missing about 23 miles of path. Including "bicycle=yes" bumps it up to 350km (217mi), but that probably includes bits of trail in the Pentlands and stuff. Presumably they got these stats from <a href="http://edinburghcouncilmaps.info/LocalViewExt/Sites/Atlas/?x=322458.9937274256&y=674598.1960395344&sr=27700&lod=7&scale=1500.00000000002&width=431.800863601733&layers=layer1%3A132%2C133%2C134%2C139%2C140%2C141%2C142&bmid=a78cd0de-6238-4f60-8de2-fca4e41204f9">their GIS system</a>. I wonder if the raw data for that is available somewhere? Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238809 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:54:27 +0000 Frenchy 238809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks, that does exactly what I was looking for! drnoble on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238800 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:22:38 +0000 drnoble 238800@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Frenchy, someone else has done all the hard work on visualising surfaces already, the guys at ito have made a nice map <a href="http://product.itoworld.com/map/25?lon=-3.18692&lat=55.94845&zoom=13" rel="nofollow">http://product.itoworld.com/map/25?lon=-3.18692&lat=55.94845&zoom=13</a> It is not updated as often as overpass-turbo, but still very helpful Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238799 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:43:27 +0000 Frenchy 238799@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm sure in OSMworld this has been changed/discussed a few times, so perhaps best left alone(?) I meant the overpass-turbo map I made. Getting it to include Porty Prom was indeed very easy. Certainly not touching the actual OSM data there! Does anyone know, using overpass-turbo, how to highlight a path a certain colour if a particular field is missing? Something like: way [surface=*empty*] {color:red;} chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238795 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:52:07 +0000 chdot 238795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "That would be easily fixable" I'm sure in OSMworld this has been changed/discussed a few times, so perhaps best left alone(?) Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238793 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:30:37 +0000 Frenchy 238793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Porty Prom not on this either. That would be easily fixable, if I was just a little better with overpass-turbo. The Prom is a "Pedestrian Street", rather than a "Highway"/"Cycleway"/etc. This will be why it doesn't show on the cycle layer too. chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238792 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:14:20 +0000 chdot 238792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks! 'We' forgot that useful cycle facility at the Cameron Toll roundabout! Porty Prom not on this either. "Feel free to fix this..." Indeed! Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238791 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:04:55 +0000 Frenchy 238791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ My best attempt: <a href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kz6" rel="nofollow">http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/kz6</a> (click "Run") Other than me not being very experienced with overpass-turbo, the main limiting factor is the lack of surface data in OSM. Feel free to fix this... Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238786 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:45:35 +0000 Frenchy 238786@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Obviously OSM will not be 100% consistent/accurate, but is it possible to see a layer version that excludes non-tarmac paths? It should be possible for someone who can work overpass-turbo. I may be some time... Edinburgh Cycle Training on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238782 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:46:55 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 238782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The green path in HP which goes roughly from St Margaret's loch to the Dumbiedykes swing Park is a cycle path only. And fairly clearly marked so to be fair. At least at both ends! I think it's Historic Scotland's installation though, not part of CEC's 'network' chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238781 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:46:23 +0000 chdot 238781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "Basically all the dashed blue lines on this map: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9375/-3.1959&layers=C" rel="nofollow">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9375/-3.1959&layers=C</a> " Porty Prom isn't dashed, because it must have a different OSM tag from most other paths. Obviously OSM will not be 100% consistent/accurate, but is it possible to see a layer version that excludes non-tarmac paths? chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238780 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:35:27 +0000 chdot 238780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Oh we've got a map! "The sections over a mile in length which I could be bothered adding up came to 65 miles or so. I can fairly easily believe that there's the same distance again in small sections." Makes sense. So, misleading 'truth'. chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238779 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:32:29 +0000 chdot 238779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Plus Innocent, WoL, Burdiehouse Burn, paths to Straiton etc. But even so, it's a surprising number and must include a lot of short sections not joined to anything. It presumably includes various bits of shared use, that some people think are pavements and others think aren't fit for cycling. We need a map! gembo on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238778 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:31:47 +0000 gembo 238778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Depends how wide you go? Penicuick has a few miles, south Queensferry has a path, after dalmeny (or has that been counted?) mile on the bridge, Sustrans route round Fife coast and back via blackness, canal towpath, water of leith path, path around Harlaw reservoir, there is a trail from poetry garden at dunsyre over to a70 though one side has collapsed, stretch of road at ERI, thou taxis use it too. Ashy path at city hospital nice wee off road cuthrough, similar ten metres near milestone house, getting a bit dAft now but maybe you can add it up to 123 miles? Frenchy on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238777 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:25:59 +0000 Frenchy 238777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Is it really going to add up to 123 miles? Basically all the dashed blue lines on this map: <a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9375/-3.1959&layers=C" rel="nofollow">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/55.9375/-3.1959&layers=C</a> Meadows, Gilmerton-Roslin, Water of Leith, Innocent Railway-Portobello, Canal... The sections over a mile in length which I could be bothered adding up came to 65 miles or so. I can fairly easily believe that there's the same distance again in small sections. HankChief on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238776 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:17:43 +0000 HankChief 238776@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Routes in parks? gibbo on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238775 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:06:53 +0000 gibbo 238775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "These all make up 123 miles of traffic-free routes around Edinburgh." What? Is that even slighly believable? Apart from the 4 they mention: A90 and B924 from Barnton to Dalmeny, A8 from the Gyle to Newbridge, Alongside Stenhouse Drive, Broomhouse Drive and Bankhead Drive. A199 from Seafield Street to Seafield Promenade. and the legendary 200m of real segregated bike lanes. Where's the rest of it? NEPN. Granton access. Holyrood park. Cramond to Gypsy Brae. Is it really going to add up to 123 miles? jonty on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238739 Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:42:34 +0000 jonty 238739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ There's no need for speculation - the response is only two pages long! "The Council has only recently started to install cycle tracks physically segregated from both motorised traffic and pedestrians. There are currently around 200 meters of this type of cycle track, between the Meadows and the Innocent Tunnel" crowriver on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238658 Fri, 09 Dec 2016 02:28:13 +0000 crowriver 238658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Nope, Holyrood Park path is shared use and is considerably longer than 200m last time I checked. 200m is probably the combined length of the various bits of segregated bike lanes dotted around the place, mostly Meadows-Innocent link I should think. ih on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238626 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:50:28 +0000 ih 238626@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It's the two sections on the Meadows to Innocent route. unhurt on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238625 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:49:04 +0000 unhurt 238625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Even without people walking on it it's a terrible path! stiltskin on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238624 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:46:48 +0000 stiltskin 238624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ 200m of cycle path segregated from pedestrians and vehicles I presume that is the path in Holyrood Park which pedestrians habitually walk down. steveo on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238613 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:37:56 +0000 steveo 238613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Worst century ever! chdot on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238607 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 17:34:24 +0000 chdot 238607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Curious set of questions! I'm surprised by this answer - " These all make up 123 miles of traffic-free routes around Edinburgh. " Better check the Spokes map and organise a mid summer 'ride all the routes with minimum on-road connections' event! Stickman on "200m" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17250#post-238606 Thu, 08 Dec 2016 17:28:16 +0000 Stickman 238606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Interesting response to a FOI request*. Edinburgh has -200m of cycle path segregated from pedestrians and vehicles -51,135m of advisory on-road cycle lanes <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/proxy.php?file=/documents/13182/1_EDIR%2013182%20Response.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/proxy.php?file=/documents/13182/1_EDIR%2013182%20Response.pdf</a> Puts into context the whole "cyclists get everything they want" argument. *I didn't make the request; @edinbuzz automatically links to new FOI responses