http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "DRAFT CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN" (ScotGov) en Sun, 31 May 2026 14:46:13 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-283312 Thu, 24 May 2018 18:53:44 +0000 unhurt 283312@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"we're all [rule 2'd] and so are an awful lot of other species"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-283303 Thu, 24 May 2018 17:03:22 +0000 I were right about that saddle 283303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy</p> <p>Sorry, should come with a trigger warning but what could that warning reasonably say? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-283302 Thu, 24 May 2018 16:45:29 +0000 Frenchy 283302@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh man. That graph was depressing enough before I realised the y-axis is the growth rate of CO2 concentration rather than just CO2 concentration. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-283298 Thu, 24 May 2018 16:26:49 +0000 I were right about that saddle 283298@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Energy policy is largely none of the Scottish Government's business but it's still heartening to hear them saying things even if they aren't doing anything, or are even doing counter-productive things like making the A9 a dual carriageway.</p> <p>When the Scottish Government petitions the UK government to shut down the North Sea oil and gas fields I'll believe that this is something they are taking seriously. That would require answering questions like: how will IWRATS heat his porridge?</p> <p><a href="https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/gr.html">Until then.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-283293 Thu, 24 May 2018 15:27:03 +0000 neddie 283293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Dear coalition,</p> <p>Further to my email this morning, I can confirm that the Scottish Government has today published its Climate Bill. It is bad news I'm afraid - it does not go any further than the draft which we saw pre-consultation. </p> <p>The Bill does not set a net zero target, though the Scottish Government is claiming is does (it merely contains a statement that they could do this at some point).</p> <p>Here is the SCCS press release: <a href="http://bit.ly/2kmdwOU" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2kmdwOU</a></p> <p>We have tweeted about it so please do retweet and then later today do your own social media about this (in line with what we are saying) <a href="https://twitter.com/sccscot" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/sccscot</a></p> <p>Here's a link to the Bill itself: <a href="http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/108483.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/108483.aspx</a><br /> And here is the Scottish Government's press release, which we consider to be very misleading: <a href="https://news.gov.scot/news/commitment-to-net-zero-greenhouse-gas-emissions" rel="nofollow">https://news.gov.scot/news/commitment-to-net-zero-greenhouse-gas-emissions</a></p> <p>I'll be back in touch later on,</p> <p>Gail</p> <p>--<br /> Gail Wilson<br /> Campaigns Manager<br /> Stop Climate Chaos Scotland<br /> </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-270177 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:40:22 +0000 neddie 270177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Thank you for responding to the recent Scottish Government consultation on proposals for a new Climate Change Bill. </p> <p>The consultation analysis report, produced by an independent contractor, has now been published and is available at the following link:</p> <p><a href="http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/12/8859" rel="nofollow">http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/12/8859</a></p> <p>We have also published the reports of events held as part of the consultation process and these can be found at the following link:</p> <p><a href="http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Environment/climatechange/Newclimatechangebill" rel="nofollow">http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Environment/climatechange/Newclimatechangebill</a></p> <p>The Scottish Government will provide its response to the full range of consultation activities in the new year. As the Bill progresses, updates will be published on the Bill page of our website at the link above.</p> <p>Climate Change Bill team<br /> </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=3#post-249500 Tue, 09 May 2017 13:17:32 +0000 I were right about that saddle 249500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/09/paris-climate-deal-trump-advisers">Clearly the President of the USA is mulling over our feedback on the Scottish Government plan before making his big decision.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-245506 Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:35:37 +0000 chdot 245506@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just so fakenews the idea that the Mail would have any sort of positive campaign with the word cycling in it!</p> <p><img src="https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3867/33682952905_6ab6ea6c4a.jpg"></p> <p>But then clearly fakenews the idea that it was their idea...</p> <p>No doubt a ploy to get at the SNP Gov!</p> <p>And the result will be? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-244856 Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:44:53 +0000 Frenchy 244856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Report: <a href="https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/Committees/Report/REC/2017/3/10/Report-on-the-Draft-Climate-Change-Plan--the-draft-Third-Report-on-Policies-and-Proposals-2017-2032-1" rel="nofollow">https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/Committees/Report/REC/2017/3/10/Report-on-the-Draft-Climate-Change-Plan--the-draft-Third-Report-on-Policies-and-Proposals-2017-2032-1</a></p> <p><em>"In relation to active travel, the Committee calls on the Scottish Government to set out how it intends to meet its walking and cycling modal shift commitments, in particular 10% of everyday trips by bike by 2020, in the final Climate Change Plan."</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242910 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:10:11 +0000 LaidBack 242910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the alternative transport question, the National had a good piece. Basically suggesting what we all know already - that we need more bus priority otherwise 'green' buses just get stuck the same as before. As this is from a commercial interest then you'd think SG may be inclined to listen more? Many of these buses are built here too.</p> <p>"The UK’s largest bus operator, Perth-based Stagecoach, says golden opportunities to cut gridlock have been missed, leaving electric, hybrid, gas and hydrogen buses stuck alongside cars, which are often more polluting.</p> <p>Bus speeds in Glasgow, for example, are declining at a rate of 1.5 per cent each year, a worse figure than London, Edinburgh and Manchester. This means that advances in greener public transport technology are failing to reach their full potential, according to Stagecoach’s engineering director Sam Greer." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242866 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:31:52 +0000 Frenchy 242866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That half page of A4 is, quite comfortably, the most Scots I've ever written. Which is rather depressing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242862 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:21:47 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I just wish I had the confidence to write in the voice I can - at will - hear quite clearly in my head. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242861 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:13:24 +0000 Frenchy 242861@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Guilty as charged. Again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242860 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:10:38 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It is a benefit to abody if fowk tak a bike</em></p> <p>How true. Strong north-east inflection to the Scots if I'm not mistaken. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242849 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:32:19 +0000 fimm 242849@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quote Frenchy who "<em>... took them up on the offer of being able to submit it in Scots...</em>"</p> <p>It is there, in Scots... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242847 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:23:49 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's our submissions posted on the McParliament website;</p> <p><a href="http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/103306.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/103306.aspx</a></p> <p>My favourite is from grassroots organisation Scottish Land and Estates (they represent the owners of all grass in Scotland just about);</p> <p><em> For instance, members have told us “small bus services are always welcome, particularly for the elderly, and car transport is essential on our estate.”</em></p> <p>Buses for proles, cars for lairds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242807 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:45:08 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect a universal basic income would make most people much happier. </p> <p>I've always thought it would reduce conventional GDP as people (like me) stopped doing the harmful stuff they do to get money. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242805 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:32:27 +0000 PS 242805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect a universal basic income would give GDP a boost. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242786 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:47:51 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242786@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Governments should be bothered more about per capita GDP</em></p> <p>Also the distribution of the fruits of our labours. What use is it to live in a rich country if the goodies - essentials, luxuries and leisure - aren't fairly dished out? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242785 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:44:09 +0000 mgj 242785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Governments should be bothered more about per capita GDP rather than GDP or GNP; you can have sustainable growth (aka increased energy use) with a declining population. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242782 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:31:57 +0000 PS 242782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>So if Govs really are concerned about GDP, perhaps they should make sure that people who are most likely to spend money - especially on Just About Managing - should have more money... </em></p> <p>I suspect this is very true - it's one of the solid economic arguments for taxing the wealthy who have so much money they simply can't spend enough of it and choose to lock it up in the less "GDP growing" assets like property or gold. Unfortunately, it never seems to quite click with government. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242772 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:20:31 +0000 chdot 242772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"In a way, we are <strike>"borrowing"</strike>helping ourselves to a little bit of "real*" growth from other nations."</p> <p>That's certainly (one) role of The City - which may or may not be about to export itself to The Continent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242771 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:17:23 +0000 chdot 242771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It will either be spent on other stuff"</p> <p>Yes, I probably overimagined the 'less spending'</p> <p>So if Govs really are concerned about GDP, perhaps they should make sure that people who are most likely to spend money - especially on Just About Managing - should have more money... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242770 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:07:51 +0000 Ed1 242770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the medium term, less energy use, would 'adversely' affect the GDP numbers"</p> <p>Well the energy reduction may lower GDP if money spent abroad, or spent on foreign made products if lowered “domestic made” energy and spent the money abroad/import goods or services.</p> <p>If was imported oil or imported computers would make no difference </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242767 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:02:29 +0000 neddie 242767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let us not forget that a good proportion of the 'growth' in this country is created by us getting better at creaming money off of other people's bank accounts from around the world, via complex (and simple) financial instruments.</p> <p>In a way, we are <strike>"borrowing"</strike>helping ourselves to a little bit of "real*" growth from other nations.</p> <p>*Created by tech advances, exploitation of resources, etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242764 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:44:26 +0000 PS 242764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In the medium term, less energy use, would 'adversely' affect the GDP numbers</em></p> <p>The money that would have been spent on energy won't disappear though. It will either be spent on other stuff, invested, stuck in a bank or stuffed in the mattress. The latter may be the only way where it doesn't do something to feed or generate growth in it own way? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242734 Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:26:29 +0000 crowriver 242734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's capitalism for you... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242733 Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:18:31 +0000 chdot 242733@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"So any increase in anything anyone will pay for"</p> <p>Indeed.</p> <p>So if you do 'good works' or volunteer or grow stuff on an allotment - or live where there is subsistence agriculture - it just doesn't <em>count</em>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242732 Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:12:26 +0000 chdot 242732@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"As long as energy comes from non-renewables, such growth is unsustainable"</p> <p>Yes, but 'energy' - which, too often, is shorthand for electricity - is a small/easy factor in all this.</p> <p>Food production, transport, manufacturing etc, use a lot of energy, but even if it was all 'sustainable' (not just the electricity) there are still vast amounts of 'stuff' involved - which isn't going to go into a neat closed-cycle recycling loop any time soon(/ever). </p> <p>"growth comes principally from technological advances"</p> <p>To some extent. 'Technology' made smartphones possible, but it was other factors that made them 'must have'/'must upgrade'. </p> <p>There are plenty of simpler technologies that don't get the same push -</p> <p>Imagine if all buildings were so efficient that they required much less energy than now. </p> <p>In the short term this would require significant investment (and jobs) and make GDP rise. In the medium term, less energy use, would 'adversely' affect the GDP numbers.</p> <p>Imagine a Gov that told housebuilders to have 'zero energy' housing estates.</p> <p>Imagine mortgages lenders saying 'we won't give mortgages for energy inefficient houses'. </p> <p>Too many vested interests in 'more of the same'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17365&page=2#post-242730 Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:06:22 +0000 I were right about that saddle 242730@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't they usually talk about growth in GDP? So any increase in anything anyone will pay for, be it wistful haikus or bomb shelters, is good. </p>