http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Petition to update HWC to help prevent left hooks en Mon, 18 May 2026 05:18:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241286 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:47:55 +0000 neddie 241286@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You can still charge your motor car at someone crossing, hoot your horn, etc. without running them over - in my book that would count as "not giving way" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241285 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:33:18 +0000 I were right about that saddle 241285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Not giving way to someone crossing the road would be... running them over?</em></p> <p>This is what I 'rubbish cycling'ed about last week. Guy ringing his bell at a blind guy crossing the side road into which he was turning.</p> <p>Can't say I understand what the excact proposition is here so won't be signing just yet. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241284 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:29:15 +0000 dougal 241284@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not giving way to someone crossing the road would be... running them over? I'm sure there's laws against that (please someone tell me there's laws against that). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241283 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:19:37 +0000 Arellcat 241283@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> At the moment rule 170 of the Highway Code states drivers must give way to pedestrians who are already crossing a side road, but this rule is rarely observed and is not directly enforceable by law, says report authors, Phil Jones Associates.<br /> "</p> <p>Rule 170 and Rule 180 are both essentially altruistic, and although they sound mandatory ("Do not…", "You should…") they don't have legislation behind them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241282 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:13:05 +0000 dougal 241282@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think I'm just being thick because there's so many people jumping to support this but I can't see what's different about it. (Also why is the illustration not a junction?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241281 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:10:52 +0000 nobrakes 241281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Guidance that compels us to treat each other as human beings not obstacles - who wouldn’t want that?</em></p> <p>Well said Chris. So many of the things in this world that are wrong would be solved if we just treated each other as equals with the same wish to be safe and happy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241279 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:48:54 +0000 MV 241279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The lack of this rule was one of the things I was most surprised about when I moved from the Netherlands to the UK.<br /> In the Netherlands, the priority of all traffic going straight at junctions is taught to children from a very young age (using the rhyme "<em>rechtdoor op dezelfde weg gaat voor</em>" -- "straight-on on the same road goes first"), and very well adhered to.</p> <p>On my bicycle I always try to give way to pedestrians going straight but it's harder when I'm driving because they always wait for me. Like a <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Canadian%20Standoff">Canadian standoff</a>.</p> <p>Isn't this already in <a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203#rule170">rule 170</a>? Or is it the difference between 'should' and 'MUST'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241276 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:21:13 +0000 dessert rat 241276@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>singed &amp; shared.</p> <p>Spent 6 weeks in Toronto last year and was amazed at the patience shown and lack of agro/stress from drivers. </p> <p>Sadly I cant see it ever happening here, hopefully I am wrong. It's almost akin to the whole drink-driving mentality in that it will take a generation to be the norm.</p> <p>fingers crossed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17366#post-241274 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:50:59 +0000 Arellcat 241274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> I support the introduction of a universal rule to give way when turning at junctions, to make them simpler and safer for people driving, cycling and walking.<br /> "</p> <p><a href="https://takeaction.britishcycling.org.uk/node/16#more" rel="nofollow">https://takeaction.britishcycling.org.uk/node/16#more</a></p> <p>Chris Boardman's bit:</p> <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/215883-video-chris-boardman-urges-people-support-british-cycling-and-aas-petition" rel="nofollow">http://road.cc/content/news/215883-video-chris-boardman-urges-people-support-british-cycling-and-aas-petition</a> </p>