http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Russell Road dangerous right turn onto start of NEPN en Tue, 19 May 2026 12:36:14 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243356 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:54:17 +0000 steveo 243356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>donated equine dental inspection? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243354 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:50:34 +0000 stiltskin 243354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm with Morningsider on this one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243353 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:26:52 +0000 Morningsider 243353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Councils don't have special powers to paint yellow lines. The provisions of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and associated Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (Scotland) Regulations 1999 apply in all cases.</p> <p>I agree with chdot that it is highly unlikely the council would paint these lines in without the legal authority to do so. However, it seems a bit silly to ask for the lines to be painted, the Council do it and then to question whether they have the authority to do so. The lines are there - keeping the access to the NEPN free from parked cars. Why not leave it at that? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243347 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:24:39 +0000 chdot 243347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Why ask? If it turn's out there isn't a TRO "</p> <p>I'm with Luath on this.</p> <p>I find it hard to believe that CEC would repaint the lines without all the correct paperwork being in place - though there are times and places (like this) where I wish they would!</p> <p>It's <em>possible</em> that CEC has realised that removing the lines wasn't legally necessary, in which case this is likely to be a slightly embarrassing one-off.</p> <p>IF there are 'newly discovered powers/procedures' I think it's worth knowing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243346 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 14:08:54 +0000 Luath 243346@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It might be useful to know if the council has special powers to do this sort of thing without a TRO, for example where there is clear evidence of it contributing to dangerous driving. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243343 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:39:41 +0000 Morningsider 243343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Why ask? If it turn's out there isn't a TRO the Council will just burn the lines off again. Leave that up to any drivers who fancy parking there I say. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243342 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:35:05 +0000 Fountainbridge 243342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've not seen any TRO recently for Russell Road</p> <p>You could of course submit a Freedom of Information request via What do they Know</p> <p><a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/</a></p> <p>21 days to respond with information. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-243296 Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:46:18 +0000 chdot 243296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/S6ELps"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/737/32881984512_40528dbcbb.jpg"></a></p> <p>Went by today. Didn't see any new signs on posts - presume any existing ones apply to full length of lines?</p> <p>Anyone trying to find out how/when CEC got TRO to do this?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242920 Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:05:24 +0000 BaseCut 242920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The car is now gone, but there is a car sized gap in the double yellows. Good to see that the intention is to have the double yellows back on this corner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242859 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:00:38 +0000 jonty 242859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If there were waiting cones down I assume a lorry will come along shortly to do that slightly more professionally. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242854 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:41:49 +0000 Dave 242854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone fancy rolling it out of the way? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242845 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:07:00 +0000 davidsonsdave 242845@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The lines were almost reinstated this morning, apart from where there was still a car parked. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242844 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:52:47 +0000 Dave 242844@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's sign posted as street lighting work, not sure they are reinstating the lines. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242777 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:10:34 +0000 Luath 242777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There were yellow 'no parking' cones and temporary parking restriction signs being erected by the line painting squad today, so hopefully the double yellows will be connected up very soon.</p> <p>I still don't understand how the council have suddenly decided that they can put double yellows here when they previously claimed they had to remove them because a tram works related TTRO had expired? Background <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16366&amp;page=2#post-223264">here</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402&page=2#post-242762 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:15:07 +0000 neddie 242762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I watched about 15 cars go round that corner the other day. All bar one of them crossed over the dashed white line.</p> <p>And more than half crossed both wheels over the dashed white line i.e. cutting the corner fully on the wrong side of the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242761 Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:00:43 +0000 Frenchy 242761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Asked Cllr Paul Edie to look into getting the double yellows back. He got this response from a council officer:</p> <p>"We have previously logged this issue on our confirm data base. We will issue a works order in due course to our Road Services road lining squads to paint the markings to close the gap which could not be painted on first visit <em>ironically due to parked cars</em>. We will carryout the works when squad resources become available from other backlogged road marking commitments. In the meantime I will ask [the] Area Engineer to liaise with the road marking supervisor to assess when this work can go ahead."</p> <p>(my emphasis)</p> <p>So it will be done (sometime). Hopefully enquiring about it pushes it up the queue a wee bit too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242473 Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:53:07 +0000 Dave 242473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Coming off the path, I would never ride under the bridges on the pavement and try to come out at the junctions. If there's passing traffic preventing me riding out at the drop kerb, the most I do is get some speed up on the pavement then drop off onto the road ASAP. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242370 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:46:17 +0000 Harts Cyclery 242370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When's this elevated bit across Dalry Road getting built? Will that solve this problem?</p> <p>To be honest, even going South here is horrible coming out at the industrial estate. You have to look over your shoulder to merge with traffic, watch out for folk turning right and watch out for folk coming out of the industrial estate. And the parked cars mean that when you do join, you get squeezed by passing traffic. Certainly on my cargo bike it ain't pleasant. Not so bad on a normal bike when going a bit faster. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242351 Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:58:47 +0000 Frenchy 242351@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Drove along Russell Road last night. There really isn't much room at that corner when there are cars parked on the outside. Those double yellows need to be put back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242215 Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:05:24 +0000 Luath 242215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I wonder if others have had a similar experience here?"</p> <p>Yes, me too. </p> <p>Exacerbated this morning by a road works van parked on the remaining bits of double yellow. On the other hand maybe they were about to install the much needed island?</p> <p>I think it got a mention in this twitter thread:<br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/EdinPolSE/status/818719873840906240" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/EdinPolSE/status/818719873840906240</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242164 Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:24:15 +0000 gibbo 242164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"I wonder if others have had a similar experience here?"</em></p> <p>Yes, repeatedly. (Including with council vehicles coming the other way.)</p> <p>One thing that might help would be double yellow lines on the easbound lane. That would allow vehicles to go deeper into the corner, rather than cutting the corner.</p> <p>(Another thing that might help is if Police Scotland treated dangerous driving as a crime, rather than a joke.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242118 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:50:09 +0000 LaidBack 242118@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It does need warning signs and island. Closure would be better of course.</p> <p>Fact is that 99% of drivers neither know nor care where entry point to cycle routes are.</p> <p>Simialr problems exist if you ever try to go onto Bruntsfield Path when doing a right turn at Toucan crossing (when green to cars). Average driver thinks you're just about to cycle on pavement into park and might discourage you by tooting horn or worse.<br /> Safer/slower way is to ride onto pavement at Leamington and join light phase.</p> <p>At Russell Road the pavement is what I use a lot but has annoying drain and posts on it. Plus it makes a very sharp turn onto ramp. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242100 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:35:51 +0000 neddie 242100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>painted on the road</em></p> <p>Sounds more like an island is needed...</p> <p>...one with reinforced concrete bollards and paint scratching spiky bits. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242097 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:12:31 +0000 LivM 242097@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dear Mr/Ms Council<br /> Can we have a right-turning bike lane painted on the road please, in a place visible to people coming in the opposite direction? Loveandkisses, Us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242049 Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:22:52 +0000 559 242049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Reading this chain at lunchtime, reinforced my bike antenna for the journey home.<br /> Waiting on white line to turn right onto cycle path, two cars come round from Roseburn. Not too fast. Second car gets slightly caught out by my presence, uses his horn.<br /> Decide to ask for his opinion on this, so follow and catch him in Murieston.<br /> Apparently as there is no junction, I should not have been there! Highlight start of cycle lane denies it exists. </p> <p>Log Clarence complaint about central white lines, and the parked cars on the bend. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242044 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:41:13 +0000 Duncan 242044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks folks for your suggestions and confirmation from others' experience that it's not just a one-off. Big_Smoke, I'd be interested to see your footage. Once may be unlucky, twice a coincidence, but three times, and counting...</p> <p>DrNoble - good to see you have taken action on this as well. When I hear back from the council I will draw their attention to this evidence. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242043 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:37:38 +0000 drnoble 242043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had a driverist look at me in disbelief on Sunday, as I was preventing him from cutting that corner, as I waited to turn right on my side of the very faded white line (which I pointed to).<br /> No harm done, but it was closer than I would have liked, and sounds similar to the experiences of others on here.</p> <p>I have created an issue for this on cyclescape <a href="https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/threads/3006" rel="nofollow">https://edinburgh.cyclescape.org/threads/3006</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242042 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:21:11 +0000 Big_Smoke 242042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hello there. Yes the guys are correct I was taken down there and I'm sorry it almost happened to you.</p> <p>FYI, the lobotomite that hit me was only fined best of 350. I'm getting compensation thanks to the solicitors (great people) but it still feels hollow.</p> <p>Honestly the responses from him suggested he's deluded. Especially as when confronted he didn't believe he cut the corner and that, "he didn't see me but I had it recorded anyway." Once my solicitors are finished with me I'll post the clip someday. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242034 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:50:44 +0000 Rosie 242034@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD &amp; Frenchy</p> <p>Thanks both. From a cycling point of view it's good to have a younger demographic.</p> <p>36 Russell Road - between the Western Approach Bridge &amp; the Tram &amp; Railway Bridge. Not as handy to shops as the Fountainbridge residents - however may bring business to the Roseburn shops &amp; cafes. </p> <p>Re lets of flats - a pal of mine rents out a couple and says when one becomes available he has huge interest. It's really a letters' market. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17402#post-242033 Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:43:56 +0000 SRD 242033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"But - naïve question - where has been the great expansion of the universities that needs all this student accommodation?"</p> <p>huge numbers of masters students and foreign undergraduates over past 15 years, even while UCAS quotas for home students have remained stagnant. </p> <p>Final year students writing dissertations in my department have gone from numbers ranging in the 20-40s to more than 160. masters students even more dramatic. Programmes that used to be lucky to have 4-6 students per year now have 40-60; new ones have even more. etc</p> <p>edit: thank you Frenchy for moving beyond the anecdote! </p>