http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Calls for crackdown on ‘selfish’ drivers parking on pavements" en Thu, 21 May 2026 18:37:02 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527&page=2#post-245392 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:14:42 +0000 crowriver 245392@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't they have to wait like 10 minutes to check if a vehicle parked on double yellows is "loading"? By which time the driver has clocked them, appears and moves the vehicle...</p> <p>Whereas parking without permit in permit only area very clear cut, straight forward, no waiting around?</p> <p>My perception as a resident is that parking attendants never visit my street or the area nearby, as hardly ever see any. However when I FOI'd the numbers, I was surprised to see that, in fact quite a lot of penalties were levied each year. They could do so many more though, the ones they catch are just the tip of the proverbial seaborne giant ice cube. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527&page=2#post-245390 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:04:42 +0000 Klaxon 245390@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm pretty sure their brief just now is to go exclusively after soft target permit areas and ignore every other offence </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527&page=2#post-245388 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:54:34 +0000 gembo 245388@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj I guess the permit holders get livid when they arrive at their space to find everywhere occupied by non permit holders and they then fire off angry letters demanding refunds etc </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245386 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:10:28 +0000 mgj 245386@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today spotted why so many think that parking attendants are just a money making scheme (even though they aren't really). 'Senior Parking Attendant' walked past four cars and vans parked at top of Marchmont Road on double yellow lines. None were loading. Turns left into Thirlestane Road. Ignores two cars parked on double yellows at end (one may have counted as loading.). Starts checking row of cars parked in permit holders only section.</p> <p>Which group of cars is causing a social problem that needs tackled? Clue: not the one the 'blue meanie' started tackling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245378 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:47:15 +0000 Nelly 245378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Its endemic now and hard coded into lorry drivers DNA.</p> <p>I walked back to the office from Edinburgh Park Tram stop the other day, and outside the wee shop the pavements are all broken on one side. </p> <p>Although there are a few porky office workers around, its clear that it is caused by delivery trucks - and in that particular spot there is zero reason to go up on the kerb, they are just so used to it !! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245377 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:36:26 +0000 Frenchy 245377@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>1) they can't book them as it is a police matter</em></p> <p>White zig-zags are dual enforceable, aren't they? Both council and police can deal with it. Police can give you penalty points in addition to a fine though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245376 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:09:02 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 245376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My brother-in-law is a parking warden and he gets mighty annoyed that 1) they can't book them as it is a police matter and 2) even if the police see it happening they normally just ignore it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245367 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:48:34 +0000 neddie 245367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@biketrain</p> <p>Sadly, the white zig-zags are no longer sacred.</p> <p>I saw a Taxi parked on them the other night at the Grassmarket zebra - supposed to be a professional driver, sheeesh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245365 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:26:05 +0000 biketrain 245365@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Recently spotted council van parked half on the pavement and half on the zigzag white lines of a pedestrian crossing. Hope the council can take this issue seriously and set a good example to other road and pavement users. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245164 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:59:17 +0000 gembo 245164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>triple parked on leith walk this morning, usual culprits plus big lorries. Two la favorita cinquecentos round near Pilrig parked for free.</p> <p>needa nice bit of segregated cycle lane down that way for sure. Break your car when you park on that stuff. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245163 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:58:43 +0000 Frenchy 245163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>(And sufficient penalties for those who are caught - e.g. £100 fixed penalty.) </em><br /> This is actually fairly lenient. If your car is lifted in Edinburgh, it'll cost you at least £180 to get it back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245156 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:21:19 +0000 gibbo 245156@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The more general problem is that because so many people are now driving, there is just no way there could ever be enough people to enforce anything.</em></p> <p>I reckon enormous progress could be made with 3 people. It's not necessary to catch everyone, or even most, there just has to be enough of a risk of getting caught.</p> <p>(And sufficient penalties for those who are caught - e.g. £100 fixed penalty.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245142 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:33:53 +0000 steveo 245142@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It would be criminal damage to walk over a car</em></p> <p>meh, park it right and you'd* give people less of an excuse to be vandals.</p> <p>Personally I've always been fascinated by goth style leather wrist straps maybe with tungsten tipped heads rather than rounded rivets. If a person is so inconsiderate that they can't see its inconvenient and potentially dangerous to force pedestrians, buggies, wheel chair users etc on to the road to go round their poorly parked car why should I care if their precious gets damaged. I'm quite sure the police would put as much effort in as they do for bike theft.</p> <p>*the royal you not you as an individual </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245141 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:31:30 +0000 dougal 245141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It takes a lot of acrobatics to believe that <em>driving on the pavement is illegal</em> and <em>parking on the pavement is not illegal</em> are unconnected statements with no inherent contradiction.</p> <p>I doubt the well-refreshed citizens of the Independent Socialist Republic of Leith need much prompting to make that inference. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245138 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:22:04 +0000 Ed1 245138@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would be criminal damage to walk over a car. It would currently be legal to park on the pavement from what understand(even if a bit silly that it is), even if in future it is not legal I am not sure this would give much mitigation in court</p> <p>Someone may have vandalised car because was parked in their way but may be because they did not like the football sticker, or may be just bored, or the car looked expensive or it looked cheap. </p> <p>I had a car that had union British flag on the side ( it came with these flags as was a limited edition mgb from the 70s) and someone kicked the mirror off. This was self-explanatory why someone would vandalise this car, but previous had an old astra and an old maestro and someone kicked the mirror off, had a seria and someone burnt it out, had a maestro and someone jumped the roof. </p> <p>It may be because was in the way was parked (these were not parked on pavement), but much like a bike being vandalised would not assume in the first instance related to the way parked. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245129 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:34:28 +0000 crowriver 245129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm not confrontational enough to walk over a car."</p> <p>Some folk are though, especially round Leith way, especially after a few shandies. Someone on the local Fb group was complaining that one or more people had done just that to their car. I hadn't the heart to enquire if it was parked on the pavement or blocking a dropped kerb at the time... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245122 Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:12:24 +0000 threefromleith 245122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see they've put lots of shiny metal bollards at the edge of the pavement' along with double-red lines, on Leith Walk just before the turn into Pilrig Street.</p> <p>Never seen a problem with anyone parking on the pavement there, but it'll stop anyone trying now. However, it hadn't stopped the taxi parking up on the double-reds by the bollards yesterday evening so the driver could nip into Cash Converters for a wee neb. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245103 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:42:05 +0000 unhurt 245103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Or we could use those bronze pigeons or some Paolozzi feet?</p> <p>Or Sheffield stands?"</p> <p>Or a wonderous sculptural combination of all three? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245077 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:23:53 +0000 acsimpson 245077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If only the money from penalties could be used for enforcement there wouldn't be a shortage of police officers.</p> <p>Wipers up strikes me as a simple way to inconvenience the pavement parking protagonists without causing any damage. I'm not confrontational enough to walk over a car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245076 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:13:23 +0000 neddie 245076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The more general problem is that because so many people are now driving, there is just no way there could ever be enough people to enforce anything.</p> <p>Back in the day, when there weren't so many cars, a police officer would come and tick you off for parking on the double yellows, having a faulty headlight, etc.</p> <p>Now these things are completely endemic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245075 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:03:05 +0000 Ed1 245075@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would poor Ciortadh private car park and private pavement be covered by any new legislation in theory?; if so in practice doubtful Edinburgh enforcement have time to police private car parks?, driving a car in fountain bridge that you cannot access from the passenger door seems somewhat remiss. I have had to use the boot to get in my car when parked at the station if only had to use the passenger door I would be quite joyous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245072 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:48:21 +0000 gembo 245072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or we could use those bronze pigeons or some Paolozzi feet?</p> <p>Or Sheffield stands? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245071 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:43:56 +0000 Nelly 245071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Plenty of cities in France deal with this by putting up metal bollards all over the city centre pavements. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245070 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:08:48 +0000 Stickman 245070@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Same arguments against it as with 20mph: "of course pavement parking should be banned in some streets where its appropriate; just not where I want to park" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245069 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:03:44 +0000 threefromleith 245069@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I reckon we should just start walking over the top of any cars parked on the pavement. </p> <p>If they can magically get on the pavement without driving there, then I can magically get from the front to the back of the car without walking over or round it... ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245066 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:53:02 +0000 gembo 245066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Never mind that Ed1, poor Ciorstaidh has even been verbally abused trying to stop people parking on the grass outside her flat. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245064 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:50:02 +0000 Ed1 245064@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was it ever illegal to park on the pavement or is it a case after the car was invented in 1896 labour , conservative and liberal governments did not ban payment parking on the pavement for 114 years, then the SNP got in and in the 10 years the SNP in office they failed to put this ban in place that had eluded other parties for over a century -), or is it a case parking on the payment was banned and a party changed legislation removing the ban and failed to put a new ban in place? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245062 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:48:00 +0000 gembo 245062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Poor Ciorstaidh, the solution focussed polis told her to go in the passenger door but she has a high central console. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245061 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:33:03 +0000 gibbo 245061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, and BTW, if you see cars blocking pavements, take a pic and tweet it to </p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf</a></p> <p>and ask why, after 10 years of SNP being in charge, this is still legal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17527#post-245060 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:31:19 +0000 gibbo 245060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>3 of first 10 comments mention cyclists.</p> <p>Some day, I'll read an EEN article about the zoo's pandas, and 30% of the comments will be blaming cyclists for the lack of pregnancy. </p>