http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Pavement parking - another consultation.... (and implementation) en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:56:32 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-376106 Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:26:11 +0000 chdot 376106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-roads-narrowest-streets-set-to-get-double-yellow-lines-under-pavement-parking-ban-4734474" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-roads-narrowest-streets-set-to-get-double-yellow-lines-under-pavement-parking-ban-4734474</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375550 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:51:37 +0000 acsimpson 375550@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks, I guess it's not surprising that maps lag behind the aerial footage. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375548 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:38:33 +0000 AS 375548@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>new cars are indeed getting bigger..</p> <ul> <li><a href="https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/cars-are-getting-1-cm-wider-every-two-years-research"><br /> New cars in Europe are getting 1 cm wider every two years, on average</a> - </li> <li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/16jmv4o/car_sizes_from_1970s_to_present_oc/"><br /> Car sizes from 1970s to present / Reddit / Data is beautiful </a> - </li> </ul> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375545 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:12:39 +0000 Arellcat 375545@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson, just ballparking the years based on looking at as many of the NLS-hosted OS 25-inch and 1:1250 maps as I had time for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375544 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:56:49 +0000 neddie 375544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ford Orion is 1.68m wide. So 2 could easily pass on a 3.6m road, leaving 24cm clearance </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375543 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:52:01 +0000 acsimpson 375543@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Measuring on google maps suggests the road is just over 3.6m wide while the average car is now 1.8m wide.</p> <p>@Arrelcat, where did you get the history of the garages from? The council atlas 1940s aerial pictures suggests at least one garage was there in the 40s. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375542 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:48:56 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 375542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ford Orion was a big car in the 80s! Not as big as a Cortina or a Granada though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375540 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:42:21 +0000 neddie 375540@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it really the streets that are “narrow”, or is it that cars have imperceptibly and inexorably become larger over the years, to the point of obese?</p> <p>Saw an old Ford Orion family car from the 1980s parked up last night, and it was minuscule compared to the other motors surrounding it</p> <p>This is only going in one direction - that cars* eventually become as wide as coaches and lorries. Then we’ll have the motor lobby campaigning to increase the width limit, along with everything else, including waistlines </p> <p>*if you can still call them cars </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375539 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:42:12 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 375539@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have the teeniest violin playing in my head as <a href="https://maps.app.goo.gl/beiBr38jeRWFqtRY8?g_st=ic">this</a> is extremely nearby. Though I’m not sure driving over the pavement to access parking is much better than the pavement variety. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375538 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:33:26 +0000 Frenchy 375538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For what it's worth, the original assessment for these streets did recommend exempting these streets. Page 35 on here: <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/34201/footway-parking-executive-summary-and-main-report" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/34201/footway-parking-executive-summary-and-main-report</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375537 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:21:33 +0000 Morningsider 375537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat - seems reasonable. Although there is (or in some cases, was) off-street parking available. As ever, people prefer to park on-street as it is more convenient for them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375535 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:00:16 +0000 Arellcat 375535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The houses were laid out in the 1920s, neat little front gardens and nice big rear gardens with access lanes. Was prospective car ownership part of residential planning thinking back then?</p> <p>All those angled garages off the back lane north between Bangholm Park and Clark Road are more recent additions; they weren't part of the original scheme, although the first garages appeared in the early 1950s, and most of them had been erected by about 1970. This means that there is basically an entire generation or so who've never known there not to be garages. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375534 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:56:03 +0000 Morningsider 375534@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave - if you look at a satellite view, it seems like the houses were built with garages to the rear, served by a small access lane in each block. The access lanes look too narrow for modern cars and I suspect many garages have been converted or demolished. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=8#post-375533 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:22:56 +0000 Dave 375533@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Incredibly narrow streets given the apparent age of the houses. Wonder what the planners were thinking!</p> <p>I've noticed that most of the pavement parking hotspots around us have returned to regular pavement parking, so perhaps what will happen in Bangholm streets is that there won't be an exemption but also no enforcement, nod wink etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-375532 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:07:36 +0000 Arellcat 375532@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The petition calls...for an exemption...so that residents can continue to park next to their properties, which should help etc etc.</em></p> <p>Mmm. 'Should' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.</p> <p>It would create a precedent that the original analysis of streets was somehow flawed and open to challenge. I can sort of see their point though. Bangholm Avenue for instance is incredibly narrow. But you can't have it both ways: you either keep the footways clear for pedestrians and have the carriageway obstructed by parked cars, or you prevent people walking safely on the footway so long as drivers can get past.</p> <p>People who want to own cars need to do as their neighbours have done, and convert their front gardens to parking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-375528 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:11:36 +0000 chdot 375528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>4.1</p> <p>A valid petition entitled 'Exemption to the Pavement Parking Ban in Bangholm streets' had been received on 8 May 2024. The petition received 50 signatures.</p> <p>4.2</p> <p>The petition calls on the Council for an exemption from the pavement parking ban in the Bangholm streets so that residents can continue to park next to their properties, which should help keep the carriageway clear and reduce hazards for pedestrians.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s71251/Item%207.1%20-%20Petitions%20Report%20-%20Exemption%20to%20the%20Pavement%20Parking%20Ban%20in%20Bangholm%20streets.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s71251/Item%207.1%20-%20Petitions%20Report%20-%20Exemption%20to%20the%20Pavement%20Parking%20Ban%20in%20Bangholm%20streets.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373942 Sat, 09 Mar 2024 23:50:54 +0000 Arellcat 373942@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For what it's worth, this just in:</p> <p><blockquote><em>You asked:</em></p> <p>With reference to the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 part 6, why Section 50(2)(a)(ii) was written in terms of wheels on the pavement rather than vehicle bodywork that by itself should constitute an obstruction.</p> <p><em>Response to your request</em></p> <p>[Transport Scotland] does not have the information you have requested.</p> <p>However, this was discussed during the scoping of the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019. These discussions concluded that if a vehicle was overhanging and blocking the pavement [per pringlis' example above], this offence would already be covered under the Road Traffic Act 1988. The Police has existing powers to tackle 'dangerous parking' and 'vehicle causing unnecessary obstruction' offences. Additionally, local authorities can put in place physical barriers to prevent such obstruction, if it is felt necessary.</blockquote></p> <p>It all feels a bit Yes, Minister, in that while it is local Government policy to regard administration of policy of obstructive carriageway parking as the responsibility of central government, and central Government policy to regard administration of policy of obstructive pavement parking as the responsibility of local government, a dilemma arises whereby the administration of the aforementioned policies is considered by the affected as substantially inseparable but the former is considered conveniently and comparatively exiguous by the central Government department discharging this function, and juristictively incompatible with the duties of a local government department. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373622 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:33:54 +0000 chdot 373622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Enforcing the pavement parking ban in Edinburgh - tickets issued 4 weeks in:</p> <p>479 - Parked on a pavement. </p> <p>28 - Parked adjacent to a dropped kerb at a known crossing point.</p> <p>109 - double parking. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1762457436089163793" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1762457436089163793</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373618 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:36:08 +0000 Dave 373618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps we should be collating photos like this and using them to jumpstart a campaign to amend the law so it's the body of the vehicle and not the wheels which are relevant... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373617 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:27:42 +0000 pringlis 373617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was disappointed to hear from @EdinHelp on Twitter yesterday that they can't use the pavement parking enforcement to stop parking like where wheels are on the pavement but the body overhangs significantly. This van was taking up half the pavement!</p> <p><img src="https://i.ibb.co/C6s09p1/B56-CD498-A185-4-F40-9-F8-D-846-F5-F1337-D8-1-201-a.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373614 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:46:07 +0000 chdot 373614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Last month, fines began to be issued to motorists who park on pavements across the Capital. More than 200 penalties were handed within the first week of the laws being enforced.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/city-of-edinburgh-council-boosts-number-of-attendants-amid-pavement-parking-crackdown-4533469" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/city-of-edinburgh-council-boosts-number-of-attendants-amid-pavement-parking-crackdown-4533469</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373326 Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:53:06 +0000 chdot 373326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The negative effects of pavement parking </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0h9jqw5" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0h9jqw5</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373263 Tue, 06 Feb 2024 09:43:52 +0000 chdot 373263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>It’s great to see the pavements clear now in Regent St, and the DYLs in. It looks completely different. It begs the question of why we’ve had to wait for more than 15 years? I know it will be frustrating for some residents but the street is now accessible for everyone.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/kirstylewin/status/1754578623376277791?" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/kirstylewin/status/1754578623376277791?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373262 Tue, 06 Feb 2024 09:40:12 +0000 chdot 373262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Edinburgh is now one week into enforcing the pavement parking ban, and so many people have told me their street has changed for the better as a result. </p> <p>Well done to the @Edinburgh_CC Parking and Media Teams for their awareness raising campaigns, and to the many motorists who are now parking more safely. </p> <p>Not everyone, however, has abided by the the new rules. Fines issued so far: </p> <p>Pavement Parking = 141 </p> <p>Parking Dropped Kerb Crossing = 10 </p> <p>Double Parking = 19 </p> <p>These and other parking problems can be reported here: <a href="https://webforms.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/portal/request/report_illegally_pk_veh" rel="nofollow">https://webforms.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/portal/request/report_illegally_pk_veh</a></p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://x.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1754486578485813295?" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1754486578485813295?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373257 Mon, 05 Feb 2024 23:26:31 +0000 DuddingstonDomestique 373257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It seems the council can act quickly and expeditiously when it wishes to. A week after the start of introduction of enforcing the pavement ban Regent Street and Marlborough Street in Portobello, notorious for pavement parking, are to get double yellow lines to prevent drivers blocking the streets. Photos of these streets were used in the advance publicity material by CEC. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373247 Mon, 05 Feb 2024 11:27:59 +0000 rust 373247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://ibb.co/1QZKwLY"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DW4kStP/Whats-App-Image-2024-02-05-at-10-02-36-af47606c.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373233 Sat, 03 Feb 2024 18:28:14 +0000 Greenroofer 373233@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can confirm that, historically, cars on Morningside Gardens did tend to be parked on the un-adopted, un-surfaced, footway. There was a brief period last week when there weren't any parked on the south side of the road at all (I wonder why!) but they are now back, but just not parked on the footway. It's going to be interesting to see if the mega bin lorry can get down to empty the monster bins on that road... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373232 Sat, 03 Feb 2024 17:56:42 +0000 Frenchy 373232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Certainly looks like Morningside Gardens, and the southern footway is indeed <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory-record/1591205/morningside-gardens">not adopted</a>. I had assumed that non-adopted roads/footways weren't enforceable, but could easily be wrong. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373229 Sat, 03 Feb 2024 16:38:50 +0000 boothym 373229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh driver fumes at 'scandalous' pavement parking fine outside his home -<a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-driver-fumes-scandalous-pavement-28559178">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-driver-fumes-scandalous-pavement-28559178</a></p> <p>Article doesn't give much detail, but someone on Twitter said that it was in Morningside Gardens and the footway (on the south side) is not adopted by the Council. Does that mean it cannot be enforced?</p> <p>Though looking on Street View the pavement is less than a metre wide and blocked by brown bins as much as cars anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561&page=7#post-373150 Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:09:17 +0000 gembo 373150@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This was a tactical success</p> <p>Not looking at any exemptions led to Edinburgh being first. Highland to follow? </p>