http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Magdalene Glen en Tue, 19 May 2026 21:30:03 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571&page=2#post-285933 Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:01:01 +0000 crowriver 285933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Disheartening, but not surprising. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571&page=2#post-285921 Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:39:28 +0000 dessert rat 285921@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>the Ombudslady says "go away cyclist, we don't care, 4 wheels good, 2 wheels bad".</p> <p>or words to that effect </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-285720 Mon, 25 Jun 2018 11:05:49 +0000 dessert rat 285720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>the newly missing bricks at the back of Magdalene prompted me into action and I finally submitted my complaint to the <a href="http://www.spso.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.spso.org.uk</a> / Ombudsman RE: incorrect/incomplete stakeholder engagement resulting in an inaccurate/incomplete/shewed consultation.</p> <p>I know I have got the square root of zero chance of them doing something / anything, but gotta try.</p> <p>In the meantime I'm off to beat my head against a brick wall. At least the pain will make me feel alive, whereas when dealing with CEC &amp; SPSO I think I can actually feel my soul being sucked out, sort of like a Dementor's kiss in Parry Hotter.</p> <p><em>When the Dementor's Kiss is performed, the Dementor will pull back its hood, clamp its jaw around the victim's mouth, and consume his or her soul. The Dementor's Kiss is generally considered to be a punishment worse than death. Victims are left in a Persistent Vegetative State: empty shells that are still alive but irretrievably "gone". It is unknown what happens to souls once a Dementor “ingests” them.</em></p> <p>I think there's a room under Cicy Chambers full of jars with the souls of people who complain.</p> <p><strong>NOTE</strong>: I am not a Happy Potter fan. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-277227 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 16:33:27 +0000 dessert rat 277227@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's some on the NEPN where the Blackhall Path and the Telford path meet at Craigleith Retail park. They are also horrible &amp; unnecessary. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-277220 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:34:28 +0000 Frenchy 277220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>whereupon it was met with complaints, if he's talking about Craigleith. </em></p> <p>Where about exactly?</p> <p>I think there are also some on NCN 1 at Barnton. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-277218 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:15:51 +0000 wingpig 277218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"I am not aware of any future works but this type of surface has already been used at several site within Edinburgh"</em></blockquote></p> <p>... whereupon it was met with complaints, if he's talking about Craigleith. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-277217 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:59:52 +0000 chdot 277217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unfortunate spelling mistake -</p> <p><a href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/venal" rel="nofollow">https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/venal</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-277216 Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:28:46 +0000 Frenchy 277216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Response (my questions in italics):</p> <p><em>Whether the bricks will be removed?</em></p> <p>No the rumble strips will be not removed</p> <p>During an extensive consultation period which lasted over 2 years . the local residents and other user raised the concern of speeding cyclists and asked for the design to incorporate designs features that would make both the cyclists and pedestrians aware of each other . The residents highlighted the venal as an area that residents walked directly on to the path and that there had been several incidents it was therefore decided to create a chicane to make pedestrians slow down . Your own data highlights that the local residents are correct in their concern about the speed of the bike riders</p> <p><em>Whether there are plans to add similar features to any other paths in Edinburgh?</em></p> <p>I am not aware of any future works but this type of surface has already been used at several site within Edinburgh and as you will be aware there are guidelines and planning and designing of infrastructure involves developing individual site – specific solutions to issues .The guidelines state that </p> <p>Measures to slow cyclists down can include rumble surfaces, SLOW markings (Diag</p> <p>1058.1) or staggered barriers. If staggered (chicane) barriers are used, the arrangement</p> <p>should be designed to slow cyclists rather than</p> <p>force them to dismount (refer to Figure 6.14).</p> <p><em>Why Sustrans, Spokes and the active travel team were not consulted before the speed bumps were installed?</em></p> <p>Sustrans and Active travel made comments on the during construction and these changes were made</p> <p><em>Why barriers which are difficult or even impossible for some people to pass were installed at the entrance of a park which "has to be usable for all local and non-local residents"?</em></p> <p>During an extensive consultation period which lasted over 2 years . the local residents and other user raised the concern of speeding cyclists and asked for the design to incorporate designs features that would make both the cyclists and pedestrians aware of each other . The residents highlighted the venal as an area that residents walked directly on to the path and that there had been several incidents it was therefore decided to create a chicane to make pedestrians slow down . </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-276812 Tue, 06 Mar 2018 23:31:36 +0000 Frenchy 276812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worth trying to check, but I don't think so. I haven't found a way to break down the days by date beyond "all time" and "this year", which I don't think is enough. </p> <p>Whether a route is favoured by all year commuters or leisure cyclists is likely to have a bigger effect on the number of passes so far this year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-276810 Tue, 06 Mar 2018 22:44:58 +0000 amir 276810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it possible to see whether numbers of passes have changes compared to nearby alternative routes such as along Duddingston Crescent? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-276805 Tue, 06 Mar 2018 21:18:42 +0000 Frenchy 276805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My ire at this has been rekindled recently.</p> <p>I've had a go at analysing Strava data to see if the speed bumps have had any effect on cyclists' speed. Unfortunately, I didn't think of this before the "Strava shows where secret military bases" story earlier this year, which seems to have caused Strava to remove a lot of the functionality in their API...</p> <p>Anyway...</p> <p>I have looked up the median all-time segment time for the Magdalene Glen section of the Innocent path, and compared this to the median segment time looking at 2018 only. Both eastbound and westbound.</p> <p>The median 2018 cyclist is 2s (1.7%) slower going eastbound and 3s (2.3%) <em>faster</em> heading west than the median all-time cyclist.</p> <p>I looked at some other nearby segments on the Innocent path as well:</p> <p>From Duddingston Park South to the Hay Av underpass, the median 2018 cyclist is 0.8% slower than the median all-time cyclist.</p> <p>Between Duddingston Park South and Duddingston Road West, the median 2018 cyclist is 1.0% faster heading east and 0.7% faster heading west.</p> <p>I conclude that the speed bumps have achieved the square root of nothing.</p> <p>Any problems with this conclusion before I send more fruitless emails to council officers? Suggestions for improvements? I might try to look at the first decile cyclists, since officers are likely to be most worried about the very fastest cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257655 Sat, 19 Aug 2017 20:46:55 +0000 Frenchy 257655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Most seem like half finished crossword answers.</p> <p>"N_ CYC_ING" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257647 Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:30:23 +0000 I were right about that saddle 257647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The 'No Cycling' signs on the ground seem to have been attacked by rats. One just says 'Cycling' now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257639 Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:37:13 +0000 Frenchy 257639@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair, the play park was being well used when I was there. Kids very interested in the trailer, and I got high fives off all of them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257637 Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:12:40 +0000 dessert rat 257637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The park has to be usable by everyone.</em></p> <p>That's a funny point - no one uses this as a park. The only users are people (cyclists and peds) on the path transiting the park and dog users using it as a dog toilet.</p> <p>for 'park' think stretch of waste-ground with no other use. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257636 Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:00:35 +0000 Frenchy 257636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Me: Did you consider people with trailers, tandems, handcycles etc. when designing the chicanes?</p> <p>Council officer (paraphrasing): If we made the spacing between barriers too big, then cyclists wouldn't be forced to come to a complete stop. The park has to be usable by everyone.</p> <p>...except those with trailers, tandems and handcycles, apparently.</p> <p>I borrowed a friend's trailer this afternoon, took it down to Magdalene. The chicane at the top was more easily navigated than I was expecting, but the one further east was impossible without dismounting and lifting the trailer up to get it round the corner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257522 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:33:29 +0000 Frenchy 257522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>...or the chicanes... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-257509 Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:42:24 +0000 Roibeard 257509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now the council are saying "all removed as soon as is reasonably possible", in the "next few weeks" as the markings are illegal.</p> <p>Sorry to say this is just the markings though, not the bricks...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-254209 Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:46:12 +0000 Frenchy 254209@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, council has said this will be removed, although they've been saying that for a couple of months now... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-254205 Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:20:55 +0000 Snowy 254205@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cycled through here with my son this week, and noticed that the fork in the path which leads to the lowest point had large white-painted NO CYCLING at the top of the downhill path.</p> <p>It was my understanding that this has no legal standing...is that right? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246127 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:18:16 +0000 I were right about that saddle 246127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A Cycling Officer has been despatched to investigate. Council operative on the phones most genial. Informed me that he was too fat and old to cycle but he'd get on it right away all the same. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246122 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:56:30 +0000 jules878 246122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also spotted the loose bricks mentioned above this afternoon.</p> <p>More alarmingly young girl (around 6-8 ish) was in the hammock in the "climbing play area". She was being swung violently from side to side to quite some height by several slightly older boys. She was clearly upset and crying, but that was encouraging them to continue. </p> <p>There were a few adults around. None intervening. I thought my interest would be unwelcome so passed on by, but hoped one of those adults would step in. I am a coward. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246119 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:45:20 +0000 neddie 246119@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A bit of guerrilla removal of the loose bits wouldn't go amiss </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246117 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:36:09 +0000 dessert rat 246117@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've changed my commute to avoid this, I now use the A1 to get to Milton Rd East - pointless waste of money - some of the blocks in the speed-strips are already loose (the ones near the chicane in the pic).</p> <p>Shall we start a pool on when the first fire damage will appear in one of the play parks ? I'm taking b4 end of April. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246096 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:48:06 +0000 I were right about that saddle 246096@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@GDR I made that exact point in February. Got the standards docs wrong - @Morningsider will quite rightly be sniggering at me.</p> <p><em>Just to let you know that the surface of NCR1 has been damaged. I don't know if it's locals taking matters into their own hands or some creative work on the part of the contractors building the nearby play park, but some mono-block has been crudely inserted into the asphalt surface at Magdalene - nearest lamp post is MVC05.</p> <p>The work has been poorly done - a channel has been cut which is too wide, mono-blocks of poor quality have been dropped in without mortar and loose tarmac or possibly even Quick Mac patted in below the level of either asphalt or the blocks to 'seal' the gap. See attached photo for an idea of the workmanship involved. This work won't last the course of next winter and will quickly become dangerous to cycles and their riders as the blocks come loose.</p> <p>The correct design of cycle infrastructure is set out in Local Transport Note 2/08 (the Scottish Government were contributors) and the correct use of tactile paving to warn of hazards is set out in Section 4.2 of the DoT document Inclusive Mobility. Whether this is guerrilla engineering or a botch job this is a hazard in the making and should be removed from this busy cycle highway.</p> <p>Thanks in advance,</p> <p>IWRATS</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246093 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 12:19:23 +0000 GDR 246093@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I dont know what the regulations are but it just seems to me that the speed bumps are very poorly laid. It does look as if any frost will burst the joints wide open and we will be left with something pretty dangerous. I usually go pretty carefully down that stretch anyway as there are often a variety of threatening looking uncontrolled dogs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246083 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:02:25 +0000 I were right about that saddle 246083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I just noised up the Council about my original Clarence of the 22nd Feb. They'll be sending an agent to examine the monoblock obstacle.</p> <p>D'you reckon the chicane meets the 3m/1.5m minimum size? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246082 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 09:34:26 +0000 LaidBack 246082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Negotiated that last week with visitor to city. He thought it was pretty pointless. Bollards and railings - a submarine net level of barrier. Road crossing at lights behind is badly aligned too.<br /> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/S6oVyo"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3700/32878893514_13af76c51b_z.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/S6oVyo">New improved obstacle to cycling</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/">LaidBackBikes</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246079 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 08:46:42 +0000 I were right about that saddle 246079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Boab08</p> <p>I keep Googling up the wrong document, but I think it's '<a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/14173/cycling_by_design_2010__rev_1__june_2011_.pdf">Cycling By Design</a>'.</p> <p>Nothing I've seen on that path appears anywhere in that document, so I suspect there has been improvisation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17571#post-246063 Tue, 04 Apr 2017 20:27:24 +0000 Boab08 246063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What are the guidelines? </p>