http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Parkageddon: How not to create traffic jams, pollution and urban sprawl en Tue, 19 May 2026 19:36:14 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275492 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:50:27 +0000 gembo 275492@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@frenchy I once used a photo of Buddy standing next to Jimi during a presentation I had to give during a government inspection. The two associate inspectors were ecstatically happy (they had done a fair few inspections by this time and no one had ever put a photo of jimi and buddy up on PowerPoint). Unfortunately, the chief inspector, who was actual government rather than secondment was not such a great fan of Buddy and Jimi. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275487 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:09:25 +0000 Rosie 275487@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>STV news</p> <p>Parking charges going up in Edinburgh &amp; drivers predicting no-one would come into the city centre. Lesley MacInnes saying that drivers have to pay like everyone else.</p> <p>I find it bizarre that anyone would expect to be able to park in George Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275477 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:23:19 +0000 acsimpson 275477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe they should use the funds from increasing parking charges for locals for schemes that benefit locals most. That could stop those who do not to own a car subsidising those who do and possibly even reverse it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275471 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:39:15 +0000 jonty 275471@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When I lived in Bruntsfield, I considered but didn't buy a car as it was pretty obvious just walking around and seeing the lack of spaces, how close together cars were, how many tiny front gardens had been converted to driveways and the state of parking at evenings and weekends that it was probably going to be hard to find a parking space whenever I used it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275468 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 16:31:52 +0000 dougal 275468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the deterrent factor of "no space to park" when purchasing a car? Is there one, or is it just assumed that if you get a car you'll be able to perch it somewhere? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275460 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:38:06 +0000 crowriver 275460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was walking in the city centre yesterday and the Sunday parking free-for-all has hit stupendously moronic levels. Cockburn Street completely jammed with parked cars on both sides, meaning other vehicles could not pass. Bonkers!</p> <p>Also noted large numbers of tourists being disgorged from Waverley station: it really hasn't got any quieter, even in mid-February. English half term holiday started perchance? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275450 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:00:02 +0000 I were right about that saddle 275450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Tory Oliver Mundell though is having a pop at IWRATS pal the Duke of Buccleuch</em></p> <p>Surely this is one of those stich-ups like when the Greens persuade the SNP to do stuff they wanted to do anyway?</p> <p>Mundell is Dickie Scott's footman. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275449 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:59:46 +0000 Ed1 275449@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Around the Economist tower in London, parking costs £4.90 ($6.10) an hour — with the result that most of us cycle or join the public-transport crush. Locals, who are not obviously in need of charity, pay just £145 a year to park in the same streets. A public resource is being allocated highly inefficiently."</p> <p>"Cities should stop trying to increase the supply of parking and rigging the market in favour of homeowners. Instead, they should raise prices until the streets and the car parks are nearly, but not quite, full — and charge everybody. Residents will complain about the loss of their privileges. But if they live in an area of high demand, the revenues from the streets will be enormous. ""</p> <p>This is a problem in Edinburgh also, much of the parking is allocated inefficiently through parking permits. This may relate in part to the political make up, if Edinburgh council scrapped permit parking and allocated spaces more efficiently ( in the economic sense) through demand management pricing etc . people would object and complain to councillor. There is an entitlement aspect to spaces as has been done through permits for many years. The people that live in George street would not expect to pay the market rate etc etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275448 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:57:32 +0000 Frenchy 275448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Buddy Miles played bass for Jimi in the Band of Gypsies</em></p> <p>Drums :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275446 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:54:52 +0000 gembo 275446@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Buddy Miles played bass for Jimi in the Band of Gypsies</p> <p>TOry Oliver Mundell though is having a pop at IWRATS pal the Duke of Buccleuch</p> <p>THree nuns go into an electrical goods shop to buy a radio ----- TBC at Coletti's Friday </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275443 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:51:21 +0000 Stickman 275443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile his buddy Miles is complaining about the consequences of free parking at hospitals. </p> <p>@IWRATS is right: being a Conservative in Scotland is easy. Say what you want without any fear of having to make good on your promises or even face up to the illogic of what you want. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275442 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:47:12 +0000 threefromleith 275442@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is Nick Cook funded by the Motoring Lobby? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275438 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:19:59 +0000 Stickman 275438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-car-parking-rate-rise-branded-highway-robbery-1-4691470" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-car-parking-rate-rise-branded-highway-robbery-1-4691470</a></p> <p>Nick Cook continues to be completely ignorant of economics. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-275335 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:13:07 +0000 Stickman 275335@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another similar article from the Economist. </p> <p><a href="https://medium.economist.com/the-perilous-politics-of-parking-43f1f34d4b97" rel="nofollow">https://medium.economist.com/the-perilous-politics-of-parking-43f1f34d4b97</a></p> <p><em> Countries including Australia, China, India and the Philippines require developers to create parking spaces whenever they put up a new building. In America these schedules have become ludicrously exact. St Paul, in Minnesota, demands four spaces for every hole on a golf course and one space for every three nuns in a convent</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-246367 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 15:08:01 +0000 Rosie 246367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot - was about to link to the Economist article, then saw you had. Really interesting read. As a medieval village would be dominated by a huge church, which to modern eyes seems totally out of proportion, so in modern times we build acres of tarmac which will be empty half the day and all day at weekends. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-246268 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 09:48:55 +0000 chdot 246268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>However, that changed with the passage of the Scotland Act a year ago, and transport minister Humza Yousaf has now acted on the Scottish Government’s pledge, to “progress this important matter”. </p> <p>It is due to form part of a wide-ranging transport bill which ministers are expected to introduced this autumn. </p> <p>As a precursor, they have launched a consultation until the end of June, which contains fascinating details about how complicated the subject is.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-time-may-be-finally-running-out-for-pavement-parkers-1-4413759" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-time-may-be-finally-running-out-for-pavement-parkers-1-4413759</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-246265 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 09:33:30 +0000 chdot 246265@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lot of stuff in that article, inc -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Free parking is not, of course, really free. The costs of building the car parks, as well as cleaning, lighting, repairing and securing them, are passed on to the people who use the buildings to which they are attached. Restaurant meals and cinema tickets are more pricey; flats are more expensive; office workers are presumably paid less. Everybody pays, whether or not they drive. And that has an unfortunate distributional effect, because young people drive a little less than the middle-aged and the poor drive less than the rich. In America, 17% of blacks and 12% of Hispanics who lived in big cities usually took public transport to work in 2013, whereas 7% of whites did. Free parking represents a subsidy for older people that is paid disproportionately by the young and a subsidy for the wealthy that is paid by the poor.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17580#post-246259 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 09:09:53 +0000 Stickman 246259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21720269-dont-let-people-park-free-how-not-create-traffic-jams-pollution-and-urban-sprawl?fsrc=scn/tw/te/rfd/pe" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21720269-dont-let-people-park-free-how-not-create-traffic-jams-pollution-and-urban-sprawl?fsrc=scn/tw/te/rfd/pe</a></p> <p>Don't let people park for free. </p>