http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: QuietRoute 30: Holyrood Park Road to Ratcliffe Terrace en Mon, 06 Apr 2026 06:43:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283371 Fri, 25 May 2018 08:14:33 +0000 Frenchy 283371@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>If so, what the hell are these other projects?</em></p> <p>CCWEL and Meadows to George Street. Both Community Links+ projects - the council put in two bids but (reasonably) were not expecting both to be successful. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283342 Thu, 24 May 2018 22:24:32 +0000 crowriver 283342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh for goodness' sake. This is the latest in a long line of projects that have been put back/delayed/postponed/kicked into the long grass. What ARE they spending 10% of the transport budget on then?</p> <p>CEC talks a good game (or maybe, likes to "consult" a lot) but what they actually DO is sporadic at best. I'm being generous there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283331 Thu, 24 May 2018 20:49:08 +0000 gibbo 283331@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> due to a current lack of resources they have temporarily put this scheme on hold</em></p> <p>Given 10% of the travel budget is being spent on active travel, does that mean all that money is being spent on other projects?</p> <p>If so, what the hell are these other projects? (I don't see anything.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283296 Thu, 24 May 2018 15:48:49 +0000 Trixie 283296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Naturally. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283294 Thu, 24 May 2018 15:45:32 +0000 Frenchy 283294@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Trixie - placed in the cycle lane, naturally. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283291 Thu, 24 May 2018 15:13:00 +0000 Trixie 283291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Honking big sign that no one reads saying 'Give cyclists space'. Done. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283289 Thu, 24 May 2018 14:59:34 +0000 jonty 283289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would like someone to explain the mental gymnastics that allows a few hundred metres of kerbline to cost more than 'education' for literally every driver that might drive near it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283287 Thu, 24 May 2018 14:16:08 +0000 neddie 283287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting comment from Southside Community Council (page 29) [my bold]:</p> <p><em>Whilst SCC absolutely supports the intent of this project to provide a safe cycling and walking environment, <strong>we do not support the principle of physical segregation of bicycles and cars</strong>. We feel that roads should be safe shared spaces where all road users respect each other. Whilst we welcome differential road surfaces, road markings, etc, that enhance the safety of cyclists, we feel that the necessary investment to create physically segregated spaces is disproportionate, especially in such times of scarce available resources to be invested in transport and environmental improvement projects. We would like to see investment in the education of road users, i.e., motorists, to show more respect for fellow road users, i.e., cyclists.</em></p> <p>Hmmm... Wonder who came up with that one...? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283286 Thu, 24 May 2018 14:08:05 +0000 Frenchy 283286@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider - that's absolutely bonkers. Whether it's a single or double yellow line there doesn't make any difference to whether you're allowed to park there, as you're not allowed to block dropped kerbs. Leaving them as single lines makes people think that they <em>can</em> park there and just prevents the council being able to deal with it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283283 Thu, 24 May 2018 13:27:13 +0000 chdot 283283@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Really!?”</p> <p>Yes.</p> <p>This REALLY IsCEC.</p> <p>Actively ignoring CEC policies <em>and</em> (apparently) accepting law breaking as inevitable/necessary/acceptable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283282 Thu, 24 May 2018 13:17:54 +0000 Morningsider 283282@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<strong>Holyrood Park Road/Dalkeith Road</strong><br /> We will consider changing the single yellow lining at the cycle access ramps to double yellow lines, however we are aware of parking demands here and thus may decide that occasional limited access, due to parked cars, at these locations is acceptable."</p> <p>Really!? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283281 Thu, 24 May 2018 13:13:04 +0000 chdot 283281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<strong>due to a current lack of resources they have temporarily put this scheme on hold</strong>”</p> <p>ThisIsEdinburgh. </p> <p><em>Actually</em> This IsCEC. </p> <p>I recommend* some concerted activity highlighting the number of consultations and subsequent ‘no resources’. </p> <p>Given the 10% of transport budget, this is not exactly true - more about allocation of resources and the underlying reluctance to implement CEC policies. </p> <p>*but won’t be doing much about it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-283280 Thu, 24 May 2018 12:53:52 +0000 neddie 283280@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>On behalf of the City of Edinburgh Council I would like to notify you of updates to the Holyrood Park to Ratcliffe Terrace walking and cycling improvement scheme. You are being contacted in this instance as a stakeholder for the project or you have previously responded to earlier consultations.</p> <p>Following the earlier consultation on the route design proposals <strong>a consultation report has been completed</strong> which summarises the findings of the consultation and the Council’s responses to them. This can now be accessed via the following link;<br /> <a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-holyrood-park-ratcliffe-terrace/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-holyrood-park-ratcliffe-terrace/</a></p> <p>Based on the high levels of support, the council intends to proceed with the scheme. However, <strong>due to a current lack of resources they have temporarily put this scheme on hold</strong>. All consultees who have asked to be kept informed about the scheme, will be notified once it progresses to the next stage of public engagement, at the end of detailed design.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-274956 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:23:20 +0000 gembo 274956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The cycling officer I knew did get a job else where within the machine. Hence the delays to all these consultation surveys./ summaries </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-274955 Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:15:28 +0000 Roibeard 274955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Delayed due to staff shortages. Report now available Q1 2018 with design completion in 2018/19.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-254136 Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:03:57 +0000 neddie 254136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>(Accidental) breakaway thread:</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17870" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17870</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-254129 Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:13:29 +0000 MV 254129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Reminder: consultation closes today </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-251631 Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:39:33 +0000 Frenchy 251631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone go to the exhibition last night? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250739 Sat, 20 May 2017 14:24:51 +0000 southsider 250739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Not much at the west end of the route. In fact there are not really any changes here at all, and some of these roads to get used as through-routes/rat runs."</p> <p>I was very disappointed to see that when I first looked at the plans. But looking again in detail it appears they are proposing to reverse the one-way direction of the eastern half of Duncan Street. As someone who can rides this route daily I think this is great because:<br /> (1) it will prevent people rat running through Duncan Street and the Blackets,<br /> (2) it will mean no cars waiting to exit Duncan Street into Minto Street, this has 2 narrow car lanes so no space to filter past on a bike and it can take ages to clear,<br /> (3) maintain full vehicle access to Duncan Street.</p> <p>I think they need to move parking from the contra flow side of the road to the with-flow side, otherwise folk on bikes are going to have to wiggle around parked cars into oncoming traffic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250676 Fri, 19 May 2017 14:07:52 +0000 cb 250676@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The large double car-width layby on the north side of Holyrood Park Road seems to survive intact. But maybe that leaves scope later for joining up to Dalkeith Road heading towards town.</p> <p>Not much at the west end of the route. In fact there are not really any changes here at all, and some of these roads to get used as through-routes/rat runs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250669 Fri, 19 May 2017 13:18:25 +0000 jonty 250669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They've wiped out 11 spaces on one of the diagram, so clearly not totally forbidden. Lanes on both sides would surely give them more scope for maintaining parking would it not? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250663 Fri, 19 May 2017 12:39:18 +0000 Morningsider 250663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MB - yep, the gate piers at the entrance to Blacket Place are part of the Listed Building designation for 62 Dalkeith Road:</p> <p><a href="http://portal.historicenvironment.scot/designation/LB28623" rel="nofollow">http://portal.historicenvironment.scot/designation/LB28623</a></p> <p>Not impossible to sort out - but would require permission to move.</p> <p>It's not a bad scheme, although I agree with Crowriver about the Holyrood Park entrance. My main issue is the total lack of ambition. It would seem quite easy to run segregated cycle lanes on either side of Holyrood Park Road and Dalkeith Road - they are huge. I'm pretty sure that would be the solution in Copenhagen etc. Still, might mean "loss of parking" - which seems to be beyond the pale. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250657 Fri, 19 May 2017 11:12:22 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 250657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Blacket Place junction drawings totally ignore the existence of the (presumably architecturally protected) stone pillars which potentially make either of AECOM's chosen options useless on a bike. Utterly bizarre and cackhanded. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250656 Fri, 19 May 2017 11:12:11 +0000 crowriver 250656@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On first glance it seems a good scheme. Lots of continuous footway across junctions, segregated cycle tracks, decent crossings and so on. </p> <p>The main problem I can see is the entrance to Holyrood Park itself, which is just on the edge of the first drawing. The segregated track continuing to the gate is useful if coming from the park itself, as it can be accessed either from the footpath in the park or from the road. However cyclists entering the park and intending to travel north are just spat out onto the wrong side of the road here, to mix it with traffic coming downhill from the roundabout in the park, notionally at 20mph.</p> <p>In practical terms, I suppose most would opt instead to use the toucan and get onto the correct side of the road, but it seems odd to continue two way segregated track to the gate without directing cyclists onto the footpath instead.</p> <p>A better solution would be to go round the outside of the gates, but I'm guessing there's not enough space and this would need to be shared use, with the attendant pedestrian/cyclist conflict. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250654 Fri, 19 May 2017 11:10:13 +0000 chdot 250654@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The whole area is designed around allowing high volumes of vehicles to rat run through the park"</p> <p>Quite probably. </p> <p>Would be worth finding out what was explicitly in the brief from CEC and how much they just start from a 'minimum disruption to motorists' assumption. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250652 Fri, 19 May 2017 11:07:12 +0000 chdot 250652@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Huge numbers of first year students are regularly strewn over the road"</p> <p>You mean as pedestrians?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250651 Fri, 19 May 2017 11:01:20 +0000 Klaxon 250651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The narrowing of Holyrood Pk Rd at East Parkside to one lane each way is only to be welcomed.</p> <p>I wish such good judgement could be shown at the other end, where outside the Commie both Dalkeith Rd and Holyrood Pk Rd are shown to remain at 5 lanes.</p> <p>Huge numbers of first year students are regularly strewn over the road as little consideration is made to desire lines into Pollock Halls.</p> <p>The whole area is designed around allowing high volumes of vehicles to rat run through the park :/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250650 Fri, 19 May 2017 10:48:19 +0000 crowriver 250650@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This link could be crucial for my son safely cycling to school (if he wants to, and the weather's okay). So I'll be taking a keen interest. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250649 Fri, 19 May 2017 10:43:21 +0000 Frenchy 250649@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Someone on here was suggesting banning right turns from the Scottish Widows car park. Now would be a good time to raise that! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17759#post-250646 Fri, 19 May 2017 10:37:43 +0000 Klaxon 250646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>New AECOM Survey - runs until June 30</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-holyrood-park-ratcliffe-terrace/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-holyrood-park-ratcliffe-terrace/</a></p> <p>'Meadows to Holyrood' style intervention to get people across Dalkeith Rd (and rapidly off the main road again and out of sight out of mind)</p> <p>Forget getting round any corners if you have a Torpedo or Urban Arrow.</p> <p>S'pose I should let you make your own mind up but I'm really bothered by AECOM's continuing designs that just give up segregation, use Toucans at every junction, and do this weird angle thing that makes cyclists cut corners in a blind fashion over pavements. </p> <p><a href="https://m.imgur.com/sB7oQ5W"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/sB7oQ5W.png"></a> </p>