http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "A fall in the cost of motoring has encouraged more people to travel by car" en Sun, 31 May 2026 16:58:27 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253673 Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:03:29 +0000 gembo 253673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Michael Douglas loses it on the LA freeway traffic jam at the start of falling down.</p> <p>Ends on pier at I think Santa Monica which is same pier that features in lalaland. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253671 Mon, 26 Jun 2017 06:03:46 +0000 paddyirish 253671@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver</p> <p>superb! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253667 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:30:43 +0000 crowriver 253667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is the iconic driving scene for urban motoring AFAIC:</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2YRpLnmdU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2YRpLnmdU</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253666 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:14:11 +0000 Rosie 253666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie_h - That's the one. I quite enjoy that advert - better than the sexy couples racing through the Italian alps. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253663 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:42:00 +0000 neddie 253663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLzC_b1Q5BE&amp;fulldescription=1&amp;gl=GB&amp;hl=en&amp;client=mv-google" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLzC_b1Q5BE&amp;fulldescription=1&amp;gl=GB&amp;hl=en&amp;client=mv-google</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253659 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:38:39 +0000 Rosie 253659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Motoring is sold as spontaneity and freedom. You see advertisements of flash car speeding solitary through the Highlands or maybe on some bendy Italian road to a villa. However of course most motoring isn't that - it's a commuting chore, or a packhorse to the supermarket.</p> <p>There's an advert that's on a lot now (can't remember what car) where the suburban cool dad takes his sneering teenage daughter to school &amp; impresses her peers. Then as a recompense for her refusal to smack knuckles, he's sat-navved to a new location. A play with a toy as compensation. It's a fairly unheroic vision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253651 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:15:35 +0000 neddie 253651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Socialism is when the roads are paid for by the general public, no matter how much you use them </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253647 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:59:12 +0000 I were right about that saddle 253647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is what we're up against;</p> <p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/25/sadiq-khans-war-against-cars-ideological-attack-freedom/" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/25/sadiq-khans-war-against-cars-ideological-attack-freedom/</a></p> <p>(Paywall, but you get one article a week for free.)</p> <p><em>However many there are of them, trains and buses take pre-programmed routes devised by teams of central planners. They don’t allow for spontaneity. The individual is subsumed into the utilitarian cost-benefit calculations of whoever decides who deserves the convenience of travel.</p> <p>The world socialist is thrown around a lot, often inaccurately, but this is quite literally socialism. The public transport system is designed for the benefit of the lumpen mass, not the unique preferences of any particular person. By contrast, “car dependency” is actually a freely made choice to maximise mobility.</em></p> <p>Presumably he thinks bicycles are objects of libertarian beauty, given that you don't even need to kowtow to Saudi despots to make them go. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253629 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:11:15 +0000 Rosie 253629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Ed1 - Dunno about shop local. They'll drive to shopping centres like Craigleith. How unutterably depressing those places are - just shops and car-parking space, no street life of any kind.</p> <p>Since driving in the city centre should be a privilege, not a right, those retractable posts that block restricted access places should spring up in front of vehicles that don't have a special sensory device, which of course would only be issued to public transport, and commercial vehicles from 7pm - 7am. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253627 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:05:47 +0000 Ed1 253627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I supose one plus of the congestion is more people may shop local and work from home may reduce friverlous journeys. I like cycling in to the center when congestion it gives me a feeling of superiority to cycle past cars taxis and buses </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253622 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:23:47 +0000 chdot 253622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Stagecoach have confirmed that over 1000 cars were parked at Halbeath P&amp;R on Saturday (17 June), and the good weather over the weekend had a positive effect on the number of people travelling to both Glasgow and Edinburgh. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.fifechamber.co.uk/news/2017/june/pr-sites-cut-congestion-summer" rel="nofollow">https://www.fifechamber.co.uk/news/2017/june/pr-sites-cut-congestion-summer</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253618 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 10:36:29 +0000 gembo 253618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Walking in the city centre of Edinburgh is great, faster than driving. Nicer along George street and princess st gardens. They should make it a car free zone but let buses and trams in. What are they scared of? You do not get anywhere trying to last everyone. The current appeasement of motorists is already described as a war on motorists fuh crissakes </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17859#post-253617 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 10:29:59 +0000 chdot 253617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-taking-a-city-centre-bus-can-be-no-quicker-than-walking-1-4483990" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-taking-a-city-centre-bus-can-be-no-quicker-than-walking-1-4483990</a></p> <p>Maybe <em>needs</em> to be 'war on motorists'! </p>