http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: OT: Network Rail Scrub Land en Sun, 31 May 2026 15:26:50 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-284834 Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:06:37 +0000 steveo 284834@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I received a letter the other day stating they're going to be cutting stuff back overnight, that's going to be fun. I know it needs done, and I know it needs done at night but its still going to be noisy. I'm also quite convinced its not going to help my problem in the OP. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-284820 Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:50:29 +0000 Klaxon 284820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today</p> <p><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfpJEsIX0AAg6h6.jpg:medium"><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1007197985376219136" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1007197985376219136</a></p> <p>also<br /> <img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfpLFzvWAAAuqxX.jpg:medium"><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/paulrgentleman/status/1007200175138508800" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/paulrgentleman/status/1007200175138508800</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282366 Fri, 11 May 2018 14:06:26 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A challenge to the view of this as clearing purely operational land;</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/11/local-council-issues-tree-preservation-orders-to-stop-network-rail-felling" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/11/local-council-issues-tree-preservation-orders-to-stop-network-rail-felling</a></p> <p>We do need to find ways of integrating our activities with nature. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282269 Thu, 10 May 2018 11:30:34 +0000 chdot 282269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ Klaxon</p> <p>THANKS</p> <p>Useful background/detail. </p> <p>Key thing is probably “Vegetation has been left for a long time on the railway due to economising budget cuts”</p> <p>Councils do the same thing and sometimes excpect Sustrans/volunteers to do some vegetation clearing - NOT a possibility near live railways!</p> <p>The ‘save money by doing nothing’ option probably costs more (both delays - and worse - and more expense with larger trees) and there must be a real pressure to ‘remove more than necessary’ because there will still be no regular maintenance programme planned. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282268 Thu, 10 May 2018 10:56:07 +0000 Klaxon 282268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Vegetation has been left for a long time on the railway due to economising budget cuts</p> <p>The cost of this is driver safety and delays</p> <p>Trains have to run at reduced speed through many areas in September and October due to leaf fall increasing braking distance, with trains employed full time spraying lines overnight postponing normal maintenance work.</p> <p>In high risk areas someone needs stationed pretty much full time to clear leaves from points as once a day isn't enough and they will fail.</p> <p>After a night of strong winds, it's normal now to have an entire morning service cancelled until a train has passed over every line at caution (stop on sight)</p> <p>This is to avoid incidents like this (these are all separate incidents):<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16406196" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16406196</a><br /> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294613/Miracle-escape-train-driver-120mph-express-struck-falling-tree.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294613/Miracle-escape-train-driver-120mph-express-struck-falling-tree.html</a><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/553484590590218241" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/553484590590218241</a><br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39053418" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39053418</a><br /> <a href="https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/train-services-suspended-fallen-tree-14382290" rel="nofollow">https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/train-services-suspended-fallen-tree-14382290</a><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/762293014601555969" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/762293014601555969</a><br /> <a href="https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/920192262264508416" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/920192262264508416</a></p> <p>This isn't scrubland being cleared. It's operational land, and unmaintained foliage is causing regular, major problems. Clearances for HV lines are obvious in the deep forestry of the US. <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@38.7604476,-77.3354143,9995m/data=!3m1!1e3">The clearway for safe operation is as wide as the masts are tall.</a></p> <p>To put it in cycling terms, the railway is a 3m shared path that's now 1m wide because the moss was never cleared and most of it is now a verge... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282260 Thu, 10 May 2018 10:03:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is another failure of our accounting system. Train journeys are accorded value but wildlife, childrens' play and clean air are not.</p> <p>I'll bet they clear <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Edinburgh/@55.9219648,-3.2523931,126m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4887b800a5982623:0x64f2147b7ce71727!8m2!3d55.953252!4d-3.188267">the wild bit between the canal and the railway after the aqueduct</a> which is full of odd encampments and BMX ramps and foxes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282255 Thu, 10 May 2018 09:54:21 +0000 unhurt 282255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd like to speak up in favour of scrubland! - brownfield sites are an important source of habitat mosaic increasingly absent from industrial farmland: see e.g.<br /> <a href="https://www.buglife.org.uk/campaigns-and-our-work/habitat-projects/brownfields" rel="nofollow">https://www.buglife.org.uk/campaigns-and-our-work/habitat-projects/brownfields</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-282209 Wed, 09 May 2018 18:42:53 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 282209@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/09/revealed-network-rails-new-800m-scheme-to-remove-all-leaf-fall-trees" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/09/revealed-network-rails-new-800m-scheme-to-remove-all-leaf-fall-trees</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256996 Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:44:44 +0000 kaputnik 256996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Yup, worst of the trees and things seem to be the bottom of my garden too. </em></p> <p>Those "things" are, you will find, the Poddington Peas. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256949 Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:09:16 +0000 steveo 256949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lost the cat in there for about 10 days a few months ago. Well I presume it was in there she disappeared, we searched and couldn't find her. Stuck her litter tray outside and a few hours later she turned up in the garden. Presumably got lost but found her scent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256939 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 21:59:31 +0000 chdot 256939@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Impressive amount of trees further along too (never noticed this 'abandoned' land before)</p> <p><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4435/36468768545_76705136a6.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256922 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 13:13:34 +0000 steveo 256922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, worst of the trees and things seem to be the bottom of my garden too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256914 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 12:35:08 +0000 Arellcat 256914@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Here?</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/pRYUQA"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3945/15661817986_d6c51a1fb2.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/pRYUQA">Timewarp - Saughton</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256909 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:58:43 +0000 steveo 256909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Gembo I doubt they'd let me near those with a chainsaw they're a little close to the line, one wrong move would probably cost the scottish economy.. pounds.</p> <p>@Cheers, I'll give them a ring. Seems like the best time to try.</p> <p>@Galaxy, I'm a couple of meters below the line (which doesn't help), maybe we could get them turned in to allotments. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256908 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:57:19 +0000 dessert rat 256908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Asking in advance just opens the door to them saying no. Just do it and ask for forgiveness later - if they say anything, which is highly unlikely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256907 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:49:18 +0000 CycleCommute.CC 256907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My sister's street is next to a railway line and they just clubbed together to get the trees chopped down. It also allowed them to use the extra space as garden area so effectively doubled the size. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256906 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:44:34 +0000 Klaxon 256906@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you make a complaint to the public helpline usually someone meaningful will get back to you to discuss it, whether or not it merits action is a different matter. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256904 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:23:43 +0000 gembo 256904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo, yup just rail operations Network Rail not interested in how much shade their trees cast on your house. You never know they might allow you to chop down the trees or pay them to do it but I doubt it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17999#post-256901 Wed, 09 Aug 2017 10:08:33 +0000 steveo 256901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I moved house last year and now live within a few meters of the Edinburgh-Glasgow line.</p> <p>The bottom of my garden is (I'm guessing) an ex (now over grown) siding for the now long gone station at Saughton. The amount of scrubby plants is fine it probably blocks some of the noise but there are a couple of taller trees that block the sun in the morning disproportionately. Is there anyone in Network rail responsible keeping these areas undercontrol, or are they only interested if it starts to affect rail operations? </p>