http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Horrible neighbours! en Sun, 28 Jun 2026 01:22:56 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-261302 Fri, 22 Sep 2017 02:52:05 +0000 frippery13 261302@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If there's no problem with the landlord I guess I'll ignore these horrible neighbors.</p> <p>If this happens again, Ill speak with landlord myself. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258411 Sun, 27 Aug 2017 00:10:38 +0000 unhurt 258411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>All rules MUST be adhered to (see left panel). </blockquote></p> <p>...we are still allowed to hang our washing up outside? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258405 Sat, 26 Aug 2017 22:11:58 +0000 Frenchy 258405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Small world.</p> <p>I lived near the Innocent tunnel a few years ago, and although we never had issues, a neighbour told us they'd been told by another neighbour not to hang their washing outside. Maybe we were neighbours, ARobComp. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258402 Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:57:13 +0000 friskiffla 258402@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ARobComp I've not lived near the Innocent tunnel... yet. Maybe my neighbour lived there previously. Also I like the concrete in the bucket idea.</p> <p>Agree this is a nice conclusion. Maybe I should try the same approach. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258148 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:13:29 +0000 minus six 258148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>a heartwarming conclusion !</p> <p>yet surely i'm not alone in being disappointed this didn't end in a macabre horror bloodshed all over the blue carpets and white walls</p> <p>ok, i'll get me coat </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258147 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:44:02 +0000 Min 258147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lovely to read. Well done RWoods. :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258144 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:41:25 +0000 ih 258144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well done @RWoods for the exemplary way you handled this issue, and I'm glad you are now bezzies with your neighbours. It will also hopefully be good PR for cycling. If only all cycling related controversies could be managed in such an objective manner.</p> <p>Weloome. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049&page=2#post-258090 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:15:21 +0000 ARobComp 258090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@friskiffla - If you live near the Innocent Railway Tunnel, I know which development you live in, and have had LITERALLY the same arguments in the exact same situation! </p> <p>My favourite moment was when one of the higher ups in the committee complained about the gardeners using a leaf blower rather than a rake, because they work from home and it was disturbing them, and then another of the higher ups brought up that you weren't meant to work from home. Ace. </p> <p>@RWoods - welcome. Beware of communal garages IMHO. In the development I mention above the garage we had access to was accessed by the use of a bin key and was regularly left open, and regularly raided by kids. No way I'd leave my bike there. One neightbour had sneakily installed a ground anchor and another had made a bucket of concrete with an old D-lock set in it. That was pretty good but I'd still not keep a racing bike there! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258089 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:13:03 +0000 chdot 258089@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure you'll be able to post on other things.</p> <p>You'll have noticed 'we' don't just post about cycling and/or Edinburgh...</p> <p>All rules MUST be adhered to (see left panel). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258088 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:10:14 +0000 RWoods 258088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot - thank you! :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258086 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:07:50 +0000 chdot 258086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well done.</p> <p>And (slightly) belated welcome to CCE.</p> <p>Highly useful first post/thread. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258084 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:00:21 +0000 RWoods 258084@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Update to everyone - I took some biscuits round and spoke with the couple. </p> <p>They looked absolutely shocked that I had gone to their door and the husband kept repeating to me how he really was grateful that I'd had the courage to speak to them.</p> <p>They actually apologised and said we were receiving the brunt of an old tenant who mistreated the hallway with their cycling apparatus. So after I clarified our situation and assured him of our character, it then was like the flick of a switch and suddenly the couple were so happy to have us in the building and provided me with their life story.They even offered to help us if anything flat-maintenance related in our flat needed attention and are going to see if they can get us included in the building meetings which are technically only for owners.</p> <p>It was the strangest situation but it's now all sorted and I'm happy to have restored the peace!! Thanks for everyones support!! :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258070 Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:04:52 +0000 friskiffla 258070@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have experience of a neighbour who likes to rigorously enforce the deeds, which say no commercial vehicles in the development, and no hanging of washing outside (also no working from home!). The development is probably just over 30 years old.</p> <p>The only bike related aggro I have experienced was when they observed that the door to our block of flats was a bit scraped up and said that it was caused by people moving bikes in and out. I sometimes take my Brompton through said door but am uber careful about not bashing or scraping anything. I am pretty sure the comment was aimed at me because 1) nobody else moves bikes about and 2) I have argued with said neighbour in the past about other things. I also know for a fact that the scraping was caused by some of my former neighbours moving furniture in and out, because I heard it and saw the damage immediately after. But I don't think they want to hear that.</p> <p>If they are anything like this person, I would say just ignore them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258038 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:44:46 +0000 morepathsplease 258038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If someone has an issue with what you are doing shouldn't they come and speak to you nicely or at least in a civil manner? If they have gone straight to verbal abuse isn't that just bullying? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258035 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:55:51 +0000 wingpig 258035@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I encountered some moany neighbours at my parents' premises, warning me not to let my bike touch the carpet even though the carpet was due to be replaced in three days' time. I assured them I would carry it over the carpet and into the flat, neglecting to mention that the extra weight being borne by my feet would cause them to wear away more carpet than rolling the bike would have. It is assumed that they are the people who previously whined about the bike shelf/hook thing in the hallway, though they are apparently quite happy to have the use of a previous resident's bike locker, taking up rather more of the hallway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258004 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:35:30 +0000 RWoods 258004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh cool to know that they have that set up too- we are out Colinton way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258003 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:31:15 +0000 Ed1 258003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The blue carpet white walls sounds like stockbridge only time noticed that feature, always try and chain my bike quickly to the stairs when visit a mate with with the carpet in close. Always seems a bad idea to have carpet in the close </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-258000 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:10:25 +0000 RWoods 258000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@GDR thanks - that's such a great compromise!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257997 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:50:03 +0000 GDR 257997@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@RWoods-I suspect they don't have a leg to stand on but in the interests of neighbourly harmony you could always get one of the CTC plastic bike bags (12 quid on Wiggle) for carrying the bike in the communal stair. One of my sons did this in his student flat and had no complaints even although the landlords did get grumpy with other bikes being taken into the flats. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257988 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:25:32 +0000 RWoods 257988@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks all. </p> <p>To shed some further light, our stairwell is blue carpets with white walls so I think they are worried we will drag in dirt or scrape the walls. However, we take good care and would never wheel a dirty bike through communal areas as we are respectful people!</p> <p>They have told us that in all instances we are not to carry it through but I think this probably goes hand in hand with concerns they have materialised about the way in which we might do this.</p> <p>Other people's bikes are stored in the garage but only a couple, and ours are significantly more expensive as they are for competing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257979 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:49:16 +0000 chdot 257979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Given the bikes are stored in a communal garage, I'd be inclined to roll over to ensure the bikes stayed safe"</p> <p>Sadly something to consider - but not just that there would be a 'threat' from any particular people. </p> <p>Are other people's bikes stored there? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257977 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:46:05 +0000 chdot 257977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm assuming it's a modernish (or very old) stair with narrow corridors so they will be 'worried' about damage to the walls or dirt on the floor. </p> <p>I'm sure you'll be extra careful. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257976 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:46:01 +0000 ih 257976@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@RWoods I empathise with you, having a similar non-bike issue with one of my neighbours.</p> <p>What do you think is the problem they have with your behaviour? Is it simply that they don't want you to transfer the bike from the garage to your flat at all, or is it something about the WAY you're doing it, for example wheeling a dirty bike along a pristine hallway? If it's the former, I don't think you will be able to resolve the issue easily; from your posts so far it seems your neighbours are behaving very unreasonably, but sadly not untypically. If it's the latter, maybe there is scope for discussion and a friendly approach would help.</p> <p>It seems that your landlord is basically on your side. Also 10 years is not all that long for your neighbours to feel they have a veto on the unwritten rules of communal spaces. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257974 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:41:51 +0000 PS 257974@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is their concern that you will damage the communal hallway with the bike? What's the décor like? White carpets? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257971 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:37:15 +0000 unhurt 257971@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I contacted the landlady who said she has come across this before so not to worry"</p> <p>This sounds to me like your landlord has come across this - or similar issues - with <em>these specific neighbour</em>s. In which case I would very politely ignore them and if they come at you about the bikes look politely baffled and calmly explain that you're just moving them from A to B, and that you have even gone so far as to check this was OK with the landlord and she says there's no problem. (It seems a really bizarre thing to object to though - As @Ed1 points out, people move all kinds of things through common stairs!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257968 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:27:07 +0000 Ed1 257968@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Storing a bike in a the corridor may create health and safety issues, making hard to escape in a fire, if someone had mobility issues or poor vision may be hard to get past bike and could get in the way of railing. Like pavement parking may get in peoples way, also have the entitlement to an illegal space problem, that’s where I park my bike, buggie etc </p> <p> Transporting bike though? What if someone transported a chair, furniture shopping a tv? It’s the transporting through is this likely to be the deeds. </p> <p>A lot of blocks are flats are not really owned but long term lease hold so would be the superior land lord if own or rent same land lord that owns the free hold, the land lord rent from would be like a sub let, unless they objected had any personal objection would be the freehold landlord or management company acting on their behalf, although a management company may still be in place to settle disputes even if freehold and in the deeds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257965 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:15:55 +0000 crowriver 257965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They will be described as "burdens" in the title deeds, i.e.. the responsibilities that owners are compelled to observe. Might include things like appointing a factoring service to clean and maintain stair, planning restrictions, details of who can use communal areas for what, etc.</p> <p>Very unlikely to be a specific restriction on carrying bicycles on the stair!</p> <p>Your neighbours sound like a right pair of busybodies. Life's too short to try and keep these kinds of people happy... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257962 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:06:35 +0000 neddie 257962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In modern developments (e.g 1970s on), there is often some kind of "feu"* over the development, which sets down rules as to what you can do, long after the developers have left.</p> <p>These rules may be valid for 30 years or more. The developers include them to "protect" the character of the estate. Typically they include things like what kind and height of boundaries you can have. And usually that they own all the oil underneath. But may also include what you can bring into the stairwell or flat. Might be worth checking if any of this applies if you live in a newer development.</p> <p>* Not sure of the exact name of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257959 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:30:42 +0000 RWoods 257959@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll try and make friends and see how I get on...they are significantly older than us but hopefully I can put them at ease that we aren't here to cause any bother or damage.</p> <p>I contacted the landlady who said she has come across this before so not to worry, and now I will see if I can grab a copy of the deeds.</p> <p>I think that although we aren't in the wrong, to save any further verbal abuse, we will just give the neighbours what they want.</p> <p>Thanks all! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18049#post-257953 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:55:54 +0000 dessert rat 257953@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>making friends and trying to de-escalate it always the best way - although I wouldn't do that until you have clarified situation so you know where you stand.</p> <p>I'd be amazing if any deeds say anything about not allowing cycles to be transported via a communal hall.</p> <p>+1 for Morningsider approach. </p> <p>It's not unreasonable to feel that given their initial approach ie conflict, they may not looking to make new friends. That said ... </p> <p><center>Make tea, not war.</center> </p>