http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: George St closure en Tue, 19 May 2026 20:27:16 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288213 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:41:53 +0000 fimm 288213@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure there was a case where someone was delivering something to a house on a corner on a NSL road and someone else drove into the back of the parked van and it was the driver of the van who was prosecuted for their parking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288212 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:17:49 +0000 Frenchy 288212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it might happen in civil cases, but agree it's unlikely to lead to criminal prosecutions, let alone sentences. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288205 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 23:05:49 +0000 Snowy 288205@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does the concept of (contributory) negligence include the actions of people who have parked illegally and contributed to causing an accident? </p> <p>Kind of academic in the real world since such an offence would barely move the scales. The punishment for running over and killing a cyclist seems to be a couple of years without driving, so merely contributing to the situation would probably just get a sentence of 30 days without television. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288195 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:38:26 +0000 dessert rat 288195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@the canuck - i think the difference here is that you didn't have to go into the regular lane, it was your choice. The fact the cycle lane was blocked i think wouldn't matter too much. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288194 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:24:11 +0000 the canuck 288194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i just wondered--years ago a friend's house burned down, and the insurance company went pretty hard after a business that made the product the insurers believed had caused the fire--anything to shift the financing on to someone else. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288173 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:30:46 +0000 neddie 288173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wait. I thought the mere "presence" of a motor vehicle was enough to trigger "involvement"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288172 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:55:48 +0000 dessert rat 288172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@the canuck - no. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288171 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:54:42 +0000 the canuck 288171@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"tried to have a reasoned discussion with a chap who'd totally blocked the west bound exit this morning - it didn't stay reasoned very long. He really couldn't see what he was doing wrong as he'd only be "15 mins or so"."</p> <p>here's a question: say i'm cycling along and have to go into the regular lane because this blanker has blocked the cycle lane. say a driver hits me.</p> <p>any chance the police or insurance companies would come after the illegal parker for contributing to the collision? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288146 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 12:26:00 +0000 Frenchy 288146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd be genuinely shocked if there aren't road orders in place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288144 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 12:17:35 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 288144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My guess (and it's just a guess) is that unless the cycle lane is "official", with paperwork and road orders, etc, neither the police nor the council will do anything about obstructions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288141 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:56:38 +0000 dougal 288141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What 'rules' are under operation during festival time? If someone does park in the bike lane (say) will the police treat it as an obstruction? (You know, if they cared about obstructions.) Or is it in the grey area between council and police, unenforced by anyone? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288140 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:56:05 +0000 dessert rat 288140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>tried to have a reasoned discussion with a chap who'd totally blocked the west bound exit this morning - it didn't stay reasoned very long. He really couldn't see what he was doing wrong as he'd only be "15 mins or so". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288125 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:00:51 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 288125@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Any further suggestions/queries?"</em><br /> Some "No parking" signs or similar at the exits to the bike lane would go a long way I think. I can sort of understand contractors blocking the exits when there's construction work going on, but last year there were always private vehicles, delivery drivers and taxis blocking the entrance and exit.</p> <p>Also a general "thanks for at least bothering to have the cycle lane in the first place"! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288123 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:53:31 +0000 chdot 288123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Essential Edinburgh are keen to make this work since Lesley Hinds "had words" with them!”</p> <p>Easy to forget how strong LH became on AT/cycling after a lukewarm start as Transport Convenor. </p> <p>Still not clear how much the new Lesley ‘understands’. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288122 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:47:29 +0000 McD 288122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been in touch already with Essential Edinburgh about the narrowness and sticking out feet in the westbound contraflow at the west end of George st.<br /> Happy to take forward additional comments.<br /> Spokes were consulted and believe that the arrangements have been improving year on year. I didn't get to see the final signage spec though but they have incorporated a number of improvements that we raised.<br /> The "anti-terrorist" straps are not part of the scheme as far as I know and are not currently evident.<br /> The crash-barriers with sticking out feet are only temporary during construction.<br /> The westbound closure at Hanover Street jn was for part of the Leith Street closure and was included in the statement on what was to be removed in time for the Festival (Abbey Hill gyratory not till afterwards.)<br /> Pushing for a more solid barrier and 500mm separation through the contraflow but hasn't been agreed for this year - will take up with Road Safety team.<br /> Essential Edinburgh are keen to make this work since Lesley Hinds "had words" with them!<br /> Any further suggestions/queries?<br /> Note that Spokes has also had an informal meeting with the GNT (George Street and First New Town) designers. These are the same people as doing Melville Crescent and seem very open.<br /> Cheers </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=3#post-288109 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:24:42 +0000 gembo 288109@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@frenchy, ratchet straps on the helter skelter? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288097 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:58:19 +0000 Frenchy 288097@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have they at least avoided using the invisible anti-terrorist ratchet straps at chest height this year? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288082 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:15:10 +0000 gembo 288082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They will spill their beer sliding down that With a pint </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288080 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:58:43 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 288080@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Should be good until someone pukes on it </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288077 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:24:59 +0000 dougal 288077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>*insert slide whistle sound here* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288062 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:42:14 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 288062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/helter-skelter-bar-set-to-open-in-edinburgh-1-4776207" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/helter-skelter-bar-set-to-open-in-edinburgh-1-4776207</a></p> <p>Shark well and truly jumped. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288061 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:03:58 +0000 I were right about that saddle 288061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I would go further and make Queen St 'access only' for cars and lorries.</em></p> <p>But surely this would make a nonsense of the three-lane Picardy Gyratory? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288060 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:02:20 +0000 neddie 288060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Queen St for cars and lorries</em></p> <p>I would go further and make Queen St 'access only' for cars and lorries.</p> <p>No reason for private-motor-through-traffic at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288049 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:31:32 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 288049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"As I vaguely half-recall it, this section being closed in that direction was something nebulously tenuously connected-ish to the Leith Street closure - possibly to stop people flocking to Hanover Street and gumming it up for buses as well as gumming up the South St David St junction."<br /> Yep, I asked about this on Twitter at the time and was told (By @edintravel, I think) that it's to allow more green light time to traffic going along Queen Street, to deal with the increased traffic flow from Leith Street being closed. I don't fully understand it, but it makes sort-of sense, I guess... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288048 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:28:57 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 288048@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Also it's unclear whether the Hanover St lights have been re-reprogrammed to give a green phase to the newly 'open' section, so expect a spate of vehicle RLJing if not (that's what I did after briefly mulling the situation on the bike last night)"<br /> I went the full length of George Street last night, East to West and can confirm that the lights are working again here. I presume they're back to their normal clockwise green light phasing, but wasn't paying enough attention to say for sure. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288046 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:14:05 +0000 dessert rat 288046@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Went along West-bound this morning, only a taxi completely blocking the entry @ Hanover St and a van blocking the exit at Fredrick, so fairly standard quality by CEC. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288044 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:46:36 +0000 wingpig 288044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was wondering when the pop-up artisan gin distilleries and whatnot were going to drop this year. </p> <p>"I can't understand why they would do this when rest of the street is closed?"</p> <p>As I vaguely half-recall it, this section being closed in that direction was something nebulously tenuously connected-ish to the Leith Street closure - possibly to stop people flocking to Hanover Street and gumming it up for buses as well as gumming up the South St David St junction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288043 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:26:02 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 288043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also the barriers closing the easternmost bit of George St westbound at Hanover St have been removed? (the signage and half barrier at St Andrew Sq are still in place). I can't understand why they would do this when rest of the street is closed?</p> <p>Also it's unclear whether the Hanover St lights have been re-reprogrammed to give a green phase to the newly 'open' section, so expect a spate of vehicle RLJing if not (that's what I did after briefly mulling the situation on the bike last night) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288042 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:16:01 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 288042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, I made the mistake of having a look last night too, and I was not surprised: <a href="https://twitter.com/Lollercake/status/1024009825288679425" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/Lollercake/status/1024009825288679425</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18159&page=2#post-288041 Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:13:12 +0000 gembo 288041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@dougal, yer right. What the dog never gets is lunch. But its meal is always a mess. Unless you give it those wee dried pellets. </p>