http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Holyrood Park: paths, crossings and closures en Mon, 18 May 2026 21:55:23 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-382947 Wed, 21 Jan 2026 18:42:37 +0000 mcairney 382947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just a heads-up that it's closed again due to a rockfall over the Christmas holidays. Speaking to the ranger on duty they expect it to be open again by the weekend. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381051 Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:54:58 +0000 ejstubbs 381051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I note that the EEN article repeats HES' statement in their <a href="https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/news/radical-road-update-july-2025/">update of July this year</a>, namely that, pending the re-opening, "park users can...pre-book ranger guided access to this area."</p> <p>Presumably this was deemed safe because the rangers have a force field which protects them, and the park users being guided, from falling rocks...</p> <p>Although I haven't done any serious climbing anywhere since lockdown (for various reasons, including dispersal of my regular partners) I will look forward to being able to spend some time pottering about on the rock in the South Quarry. It's a pleasant place on a sunny afternoon and has been denied to us for too long. (I wonder if I can remember where I put my permit from HES to climb there? Then again, I wonder if it even really matters, since I'd never been asked to produce in the past...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381049 Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:25:16 +0000 MediumDave 381049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hopefully now that the milquetoast management types in HES who created this sorry situation in the first place have accepted the principle that parts of the path can re-open without CHAOS, further progress should not be so difficult or protracted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381046 Fri, 05 Sep 2025 08:58:24 +0000 fimm 381046@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The last sentence at that link is<br /> <blockquote>We will continue to participate in HES’s Radical Road Working Group, to assist where we can, and to <strong>maintain the momentum to open up more of the historic path</strong>.</blockquote>(emphasis mine).</p> <p>From their website:<br /> <blockquote>Mountaineering Scotland is the organisation that represents hill walkers, climbers, mountaineers and snowsports tourers in Scotland. We campaign on your behalf to protect Scotland's mountain landscapes and safeguard access rights.</blockquote><br /> They are probably the only organisation that will campaign for climbers to have access to the quarry; but they don't just represent climbers, and will continue to be involved with campaigns for access to the whole Radical Road.</p> <p>In some ways, this is a particularly important precedent to not set from the point of view of a typical Mountaineering Scotland member, who is likely to go into environments which have some degree of danger. If a landowner can restrict access on the basis that a bit of cliff might fall on someone, where does that stop? Are we going to be banned from the whole of the Cullin, or from climbing on the north face of Ben Nevis, on the basis that rocks might fall off? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381029 Thu, 04 Sep 2025 15:59:56 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 381029@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm, hopefully not but they have previously called it out as possible and desirable:</p> <p><a href="https://www.mountaineering.scot/news/welcome-update-on-future-of-radical-road" rel="nofollow">https://www.mountaineering.scot/news/welcome-update-on-future-of-radical-road</a></p> <p>Of course, that was almost exactly 1 year ago. Festina lente must be the motto of Scottish officialdom </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381028 Thu, 04 Sep 2025 15:48:39 +0000 fimm 381028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wondered if that was the Hawse. Thank you.</p> <p>Murun, I'm pretty sure that Mountaineering Scotland is one of the groups involved in objecting to the closure of the Radical Road. They are not going to be mollified by 200m of access to the quarry. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381025 Thu, 04 Sep 2025 14:24:20 +0000 Arellcat 381025@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm, The Hawse is just near where the southern end of the Radical Road starts, and South Quarry is the rectangular section quarried out of the crags just to the northwest.</p> <p><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.943494/-3.168606" rel="nofollow">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.943494/-3.168606</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381022 Thu, 04 Sep 2025 13:55:46 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 381022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Hawse is the bealach above Pollock Halls between Salisbury Crags and Arthur's Seat (so the east terminus of the Radical Road)</p> <p>The South Quarry is not very far along at all, 1 or 200m along at most.</p> <p>I'd imagine this is a minimal concession to climbers who have been amongst the most vocal protestors to the continued closure, as South Quarry is the only part of Salisbury Crags where climbing is allowed. Divide and conquer... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-381020 Thu, 04 Sep 2025 13:27:56 +0000 fimm 381020@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburghs-radical-road-to-reopen-nearly-seven-years-after-arthurs-seat-was-closed-5302007?" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburghs-radical-road-to-reopen-nearly-seven-years-after-arthurs-seat-was-closed-5302007?</a></p> <p><blockquote>Edinburgh’s Radical Road is set to partially re-open next year, after its closure nearly seven years ago due to rockfall.<br /> A report before Edinburgh city councillors says that Historic Environment Scotland (HES), which has responsibility for Arthur’s Seat, plans to reopen part of the route early next year.</p> <p>The stretch between the Hawse to the northern end of the South Quarry would be opened</blockquote></p> <p>I don't know where the Hawse and South Quarry are. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-380226 Mon, 07 Jul 2025 13:32:17 +0000 neddie 380226@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Amazing that they have limitless time, money and resource to throw at mitigating a very small risk.</p> <p>Any yet somehow there's no money or will to provide proper pedestrian crossings. Nor a proper bike lane. Nor just shutting out intrusive, dangerous and damaging through-traffic...</p> <p>...for actual high risks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-380225 Mon, 07 Jul 2025 13:22:16 +0000 chdot 380225@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>On Monday, July 14, work will commence to build protective infrastructure that will allow pedestrians to use the pavement only, with HES aiming to complete the work by the end of the month. Cyclists will need to dismount if they wish to use the route. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburghs-duddingston-low-road-to-partially-reopen-but-entire-project-could-take-12-18-months-5210611" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburghs-duddingston-low-road-to-partially-reopen-but-entire-project-could-take-12-18-months-5210611</a></p> <p>(I know this was covered on a different thread, can’t remember which.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-377078 Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:58:39 +0000 Robbie 377078@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>First(?) cycleway diversion for a Holyrood park event has been confirmed on their page: <a href="https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/holyrood-park/external-event-notices/">https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/holyrood-park/external-event-notices/</a> and it will now be from 5pm instead of 4pm.</p> <p>It's not perfect, but I think not having to makea right turn under the railway bridge at Abbeyhill will make a big difference <a href="https://i.imgur.com/Et6u8Cy.jpeg">https://i.imgur.com/Et6u8Cy.jpeg</a></p> <p>The Holyrood Park Strategic Plan says they want Active Travel to be the main method of transit in the park... hopefully they mean this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-376866 Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:00:52 +0000 Robbie 376866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Finally the park have acknowledged they don't have the direct power to close the core path to pedestrians and cycles for events.</p> <p><blockquote>Historic Environment Scotland (HES) acknowledges that a Section 11 exemption notice would be required to close or restrict access to the Core Path route which enters the Park at Dumbiedykes pedestrian entrance before following the Queen’s Drive, Galloping Glen to exit the Park at either Horse Wynd or following the Back Walk to exit onto Croft An Righ Lane. We would expect an event organiser wishing to close or restrict this route to follow the appropriate procedure and would encourage the event organiser to engage with the relevant community or public forums prior to doing so.</p> <p>In respect of the need to apply for a Section 11 exemption out with this specific Core Path route, there is no requirement for an application to be made in the circumstances discussed. As you may be aware, access rights are not exercisable on land where public access is prohibited, excluded or restricted by other statute(s) (s6(1)(d) of the 2003 Act). Therefore, where access has been restricted pursuant to statute (i.e. the 1971 Regulations), access rights under the 2003 Act will not apply. On that basis, no application under section 11 is required. This is consistent with the City of Edinburgh Council’s own guidance which notes that Section 11 exemptions would not normally be used "where access is already restricted by other measures such as byelaws.”.</blockquote></p> <p>Hopefully there will be access via Croft-an-Righ for people heading home on Samhuinn. Last year was a real mess, with security telling people to go cycle on the gridlocked main road in the dark. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-376581 Sun, 15 Sep 2024 10:49:28 +0000 Robbie 376581@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had a lot of trouble with temporary closures in the park affecting cycle access. For the Marathon and Beltane festivals access has been prevented during the evening commute period with no prior notice or diversion. The offroad path is the only to the city east, and cycling in busy diverted traffic on Horse Wynd is not something many will accept.</p> <p>It seems the extent of the closures to cycles isn't being fully established by HES at event application stage. There is also a Core Path running through the park, which HES claim is not a right of way as Holyrood Park is exempt, yet Scotways advise a Section 11 order is required (similar to Radical Road).</p> <p>On submitting a complaint, they have made their website page more visible but continue to plan a closure to cycles from 4pm on October 31st.</p> <p>This will be more of a problem if the plans to close the road to Cars goes ahead. Will cycles be prevented from using the road every time there is an event? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-376576 Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:45:27 +0000 Morningsider 376576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, Historic Environment Scotland can immediately fence off a historic trail in case some gets hurt...but is happy to maintain high-speed through traffic in the park for years so some paperwork can be done. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-376575 Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:27:57 +0000 fimm 376575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/news/a-new-future-for-edinburghs-holyrood-park/" rel="nofollow">https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/news/a-new-future-for-edinburghs-holyrood-park/</a><br /> <blockquote>While the Plan does not cover rock risk, specialist geotechnical engineers have completed a re-assessment of risk and potential mitigating measures in relation to parts of the Radical Road and other areas. HES plans to improve access in spring 2025, where this can be done safely, at the southern end from the Hawse to the northern end of South Quarry. This area includes Hutton’s Section and Hutton’s Rock, together with the quarry in which climbing is permitted. </blockquote></p> <p>However:</p> <p><blockquote>The Strategic Plan does not include the final Movement Strategy for the Park, which is still being developed in collaboration with The City of Edinburgh Council and will align to their City Mobility Plan 2030. Additional, detailed surveys are required to inform the plans for future traffic movement and active travel, ensuring a sustainable future for the Park.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-372379 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:42:06 +0000 Arellcat 372379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs: <em>Get rid of the through motor traffic and the metal security fencing, do your best to protect the wellbeing of the plants and animals that live there, and help people to understand and respect the place when they go there.</em></p> <p>It's all a bit Richmond Park in London, full of deer, people on bikes, mental drivists, and equally mental pro-motoring policing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-372378 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 14:11:21 +0000 ejstubbs 372378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ DuddingstonDomestique: Thanks, I'll have another last go using that as a template. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-372376 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:16:12 +0000 DuddingstonDomestique 372376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs. I also found it hard to distinguish between the various objectives/strategies etc and decide on a priority, the implication, I suppose, if an objective is selected by respondents as a 7 then HES may ignore that.</p> <p>I found the template Spokes response quite handy and was a good basis for ordering priorities and adding extra information. It can be summed up as: shut the through roads and open Radical Road path. </p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2312-Holyrood-Park-Spokes-final-Response-v4.docx-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2312-Holyrood-Park-Spokes-final-Response-v4.docx-1.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=8#post-372375 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:29:51 +0000 chdot 372375@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does it say “or email” anywhere?</p> <p>It SHOULD… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-372373 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 11:56:39 +0000 ejstubbs 372373@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Deadline for the Holyrood Park Strategic Plan consultation is today.</p> <p>I haven't managed to complete mine yet. I keep going back to it but every time I end up at one of the "which three of the following [largely indistinguishable objectives] would you prioritise" questions I run into quagmire of indecision. I can't get past the feeling that it's a pointless porridge of consultancy, er...cow manure, and attempting to answer their highly directed and leading questions only panders to their nonsense.</p> <p>What I <em>want</em> to say is: make it a nice place to spend time in a more-or-less natural environment close the city centre. Get rid of the through motor traffic and the metal security fencing, do your best to protect the wellbeing of the plants and animals that live there, and help people to understand and respect the place when they go there. I can't see any straightforward way to express that by wading through endless "pick three" or "put in order of priority" questions, and I begin to wonder maybe that's actually the point, as far as they're concerned: get people bogged down in answering footling detail questions (IMO the ones <em>they</em> should be answering based on an agreed set of high level objectives &amp; policies) and we won't be bothered by them telling us about specific things that they'd like us to do.</p> <p>I'm struggling to avoid the conclusion that it's a diversionary box-ticking exercise and - to paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke - completing it would only encourage them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-372000 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:46:23 +0000 chdot 372000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Different but similar…</p> <p>“</p> <p>“<br /> The more time I spend around policy makers and politicians the less I understand them. Years spent trying to analyse and second guess why Ministers will pledge one thing but often end up doing another, and the part played in all that by their civil servants, special advisors and those super-cautious government lawyers, have left me none the wiser but increasingly sceptical. And beyond that strange alchemy of internal actors, the role of the professional lobbyist and the unerring ability of powerful outside interests to get their way just adds to a general sense of powerlessness. Take land reform for instance. New legislation is to be laid before the Scottish Parliament next month. This is a Bill that Ministers have promised will be transformative in diversifying land ownership and ensuring that land is used in the public interest for the benefit of all and not just the few. The published analysis of the 500+ responses to the Bill’s consultation paper largely reinforces this Ministerial ambition and so most keen observers expect to see a suitably progressive Bill. But the word coming down the line from officials is that those expectations should now be ‘managed’. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?</p> <p>Angus Hardie, Director</p> <p>Scottish Community Alliance</p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371997 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:30:59 +0000 ejstubbs 371997@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Outline Strategic Plan has more words about the "contested space" which make rather more sense than the condensed version in the survey:</p> <p><blockquote>Holyrood Park is not a homogenous space, valued and used by everyone in the same way – it is a contested space with often competing views on the appropriateness or acceptability of different actions, whether that be actions of protest, or management, or daily use. This will continue and future management decisions should acknowledge the fact that Holyrood Park will continue to be a “contested space” at the centre of everyday life in Edinburgh.<br /> Decisions should be taken accepting that not all parties will accept or welcome the decision but in a manner that is open and transparent and encourages communication and discussion.</blockquote></p> <p>My initial thoughts about this are that it's a statement of the obvious: welcome to the real world. Isn't this one of the things that politics is supposed to be about: settling contestation over the allocation of limited resources? And there will always be some people who aren't happy with a given decision, no matter how open and transparent the process was. We've seen more than enough of that in recent times, for heaven's sake, including what happens if you cave in to lingering disquiet and dissent without at least making the effort to clarify what might be more broadly acceptable alternative outcomes as part of the "open and transparent" communication and discussion.</p> <p>The suspicious/cynical side of me wonders whether there could be some covert meaning here: "How much do you agree that if a decision doesn't go the way you want you'll just suck it up and keep quiet?"</p> <p>I'm still not sure how I should answer the question, other than with a non-commital, boring and unhelpful neutral response. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371984 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:40:15 +0000 Morningsider 371984@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs - I assumme the idea is one side of the argument "wins" (e.g. roads are closed to motorised traffic) and the "losers" just have to suck it up. They are the people who "contest" the decision.</p> <p>Whether you think somewhere being a contested space is a good idea likely depends on whether your side "wins" the contest.</p> <p>Now, national and local policy clearly supports closing the park to traffic on issues including climate, pollution, car reduction, and biodiversity. I suppose there may be some way to make an argument for maintaining through traffic on economic grounds, but I imagine that would be pretty weak.</p> <p>Add to that "our" concerns about public authorities trying to "satsify the needs of all road users", which tends to favour motorists, then acknowledegment that a decision might annoy some people could be seen as progress.</p> <p>The question is, do you trust Historic Environment Scotland to make the right decision - or will it end up with us contesting the decision? I'm in two minds. Past experience tells me that the roads will stay open, but maybe this is the start of something new and the roads will be closed, which I would support. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371981 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:48:38 +0000 chdot 371981@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“it's clear they don't belong there“</p> <p>Which of course is part of the problem. </p> <p>Most people of working age (and beyond) just accept cars as ‘normal’, perhaps even inevitable/essential etc. </p> <p>Too many regard cars in HP as highly normal. </p> <p>Some pretend they care about ‘access for people who couldn’t get there if road closed’ - no suggestions of complete car bans. </p> <p>More about ‘taking my convenient short cut away’! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371980 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:28:24 +0000 neddie 371980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some examples of the 'contests' could be:</p> <p>- protecting vulnerable species e.g. frogs versus allowing the public to trample all over them<br /> - drivers wanting to drive through the park, to the detriment of walkers, cyclists and animals<br /> - climbers wanting to climb on rocks that may contain sensitive species or may be loose or present a risk to themselves or people below<br /> - commercial companies wanting to gain from exercise 'bootcamps' or to hold concerts, car shows, whatever...<br /> - closing Radical Road due to risk of rockfalls versus allowing people to assess their own risk tolerance<br /> - ...and so on</p> <p>Personally, I don't think there should be a 'contest' between cars and bikes/walkers - I think this is a kind of manufactured culture war. Just get rid of the cars - it's clear they don't belong there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371979 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:18:25 +0000 ejstubbs 371979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just a reminder that the consultation about HES' proposals for Holyrood Park closes on the 19th: <a href="https://haveyoursay.historicenvironment.scot/conservation/outline-strategic-plan-for-holyrood-park/" rel="nofollow">https://haveyoursay.historicenvironment.scot/conservation/outline-strategic-plan-for-holyrood-park/</a></p> <p>I'm working through it at the moment and I have to say that one part of question 12 has me flummoxed:</p> <p><blockquote>Accept Holyrood Park as a Contested Place - To create a space for open and transparent communication and discussion, even in situations when not all parties will accept or welcome certain decisions relating to the Park</blockquote></p> <p>I'm apparently expected to indicate whether I rate my agreement with this statement from 1 "strongly agree" to 5 "strongly disagree" (and it won't let me leave any part of question 12 unanswered). I'm finding this a bit difficult, since I haven't a clue what it means. Anyone conversant with consultant-babble able to decode it for me? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-371259 Wed, 25 Oct 2023 13:30:55 +0000 neddie 371259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Edinburgh Geological Society are holding a public meeting on the future of Radical Road</p> <p><strong>Sunday 3 December 2023, 2pm – 4pm</p> <p>Greyfriars Charteris Centre, 138/140 Pleasance, Edinburgh, EH8 9RR</strong></p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghgeolsoc.org/radical-road-public-meeting/" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghgeolsoc.org/radical-road-public-meeting/</a></p> <p><em>Public Meeting: The Radical Road – Past, Present, Future?</p> <p>The Radical Road in Edinburgh’s Holyrood Park has been a much loved walking route since 1822. In 2018, Historic Environment Scotland closed the route due to fears of rockfall. This public event will explore the history and use of the Radical Road, and its importance to local people and visitors, walkers, geologists, climbers and historians.</p> <p>There will be short talks on the geology and history of the Radical Road, its use as a walking route and by climbers and wider issues of access. The meeting will be an opportunity to find out about Historic Environment Scotland’s Strategic Plan for Holyrood Park ( <a href="https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/what-we-do/managing-the-estate/strategic-plan-for-holyrood-park/" rel="nofollow">https://www.historicenvironment.scot/about-us/what-we-do/managing-the-estate/strategic-plan-for-holyrood-park/</a> ), and discuss engaging with this plan, and further action that can be taken to persuade Historic Environment Scotland to reopen the Radical Road.</p> <p>This free public meeting will be chaired by Rob Edwards, journalist and broadcaster, and is organised by the Edinburgh Geological Society, Ramblers Scotland, The Cockburn Association, Mountaineering Scotland and ScotWays. Historic Environment Scotland have been invited to attend.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-370874 Mon, 02 Oct 2023 09:30:56 +0000 Dave 370874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a win-win for Scott Arthur because whatever HS decide, it's not something he'll be responsible for and can teflon shoulder any blowback... hence the welcoming noises </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18225&page=7#post-370837 Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:54:25 +0000 neddie 370837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Neil Greig is not an expert in anything other than getting his mealy little voice in the papers </p>