http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “UK cycle industry predicted to sell 1 million fewer bikes this year“ en Mon, 18 May 2026 02:59:58 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264341 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:05:20 +0000 crowriver 264341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@mgj, transport modal share for cycling is up in Edinburgh, London and a few other exceptional urban areas: mostly university towns like Cambridge, York etc. which had high cycling levels historically anyway.</p> <p>Most of Scotland sits stubbornly at 1% to 2% share for cycling as transport: I daresay it's similar to many areas of the UK in this respect.</p> <p>Most of the growth in bike sales has probably been for sport/leisure cycling, which is very faddish and prone to peaks and troughs. It's been the same story since the 1960s when cars became the "aspirational" choice for transport. See Carlton Reid's "Bike Boom" for a full account. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264293 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:16:15 +0000 mgj 264293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On my daily commute I see dozens more bikes than I did 20 years ago. I spent a lot on my bike in 99 and its lasted, with a mix of me tinkering and semi regular bike shop work. And I thought modal share was up in Edinburgh; Spokes certainly argue it is, albeit not to the level of the 30's.</p> <p>Exception might be kids bikes, particularly as the council allows every space to be built on with more Barratt boxes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264178 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:55:23 +0000 crowriver 264178@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@msj, Oh my sides! Take your idea, reverse it. </p> <p>The bikes may be lasting longer, but it's likely because they are hardly ever used... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264176 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 20:52:14 +0000 mgj 264176@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just maybe the bikes that are being bought now last longer as they are better made, and there are better facilities for maintenance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264162 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:38:00 +0000 neddie 264162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Ed1</p> <p>The NOx figures from the manufacturers cannot be relied upon. From the BBC article, only 3 cars meet the EU 80mg/km requirement in real-world driving conditions </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264157 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:30:41 +0000 crowriver 264157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From the article:</p> <p>"What's causing this global slowdown in bike sales? If there's one single reason – and, in a complex world, this is unlikely – the reason would be fashion. "</p> <p>Yep. Been saying this for years. </p> <p>When you promote cycling as a sporting fad that's what happens. Few view cycling as "transport", no wonder the government usually fails to keep a straight face when cycling campaigners link the two concepts.</p> <p>Okay we have hills and it's windy. But people on these islands are also a bunch of lazy so-and-soes.</p> <p>On the other foot:</p> <p>"Looking on the bright side, there are UK manufacturing companies, such as Pashley and Brompton, which are thriving, and not just because the weaker pound boosts their export earnings."</p> <p>Must be the Brexit voters Buying British... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264155 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:49:38 +0000 Ed1 264155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An old petrol is probably cleaner than a new diesel or petrol in respect to NOX. <a href="http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/27823/nissan-qashqai-1.6-2011-petrol-manual-5-speed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/27823/nissan-qashqai-1.6-2011-petrol-manual-5-speed/</a> NOx:9 mg/km<br /> PM:0 mg/km</p> <p>Compared to a new petrol <a href="http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/64704/nissan-qashqai-1.2-dig-t-visia-115ps-petrol-manual-5-speed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/64704/nissan-qashqai-1.2-dig-t-visia-115ps-petrol-manual-5-speed/</a><br /> NOx:23 mg/km<br /> PM:0 mg/km</p> <p>In respect to CO yes new cars are less but in respect Nox not always</p> <p>Its the same with fords if take a fiesta 1.2 ecoboast NOx:41 mg/km as high nox as diesel higher than the larger less tunned engine NOx:18 mg/km Fiesta 1.6 Zetec<br /> PM:0 mg/km.</p> <p>The new small petrol turbo engines that are sold as the economy of diesel also often have higher nox than a lazier larger engine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264152 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:09:44 +0000 steveo 264152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It counter intuitive that the likes of Fiesta diesel is likely to be worse than a Ferrari<br /> </em></p> <p>It depends on your measure really. CO2 vs NOx, (notionally) global vs local, rate at which limited resources are expended. </p> <p>Odds are the supercar are better on all measure simply because they're driven so infrequently.</p> <p>My old (2008) (petrol) Qashqai likley is a grade 2 planet killer but at less than 5k miles a year I'm not going to lose much sleep over its overall impact and whilst I could (maybe) replace it with something newer and cleaner I doubt in reality this would make a lot of ecologial sense. And since the wife refuses to go with out a car (for her own reasons) it might as well be that one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264151 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:47:19 +0000 Ed1 264151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/64709/nissan-qashqai-1.5-dci-visia-110ps-diesel-manual-6-speed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/64709/nissan-qashqai-1.5-dci-visia-110ps-diesel-manual-6-speed/</a></p> <p>it has aNOx:22 mg/km if the smaller engine 1.5 Worse than LAMBORGHINI Aventador 6.5 V12 Total NOx+PMs<br /> 6.32 mg/km</p> <p>It counter intuitive that the likes of Fiesta diesel is likely to be worse than a Ferrari </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264150 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:32:20 +0000 steveo 264150@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Qashqai one of the worst for emissions at 18 times the EU limit for NO2. Sorry.</em></p> <p>Why do you think I traded it in. Way too clean. Need something capable of burning crude in a push. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264149 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:25:50 +0000 unhurt 264149@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@nedd1e_h but how defensible will they be when the inevitable cannibal gangs come calling? I have sash window concerns! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264148 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:22:41 +0000 neddie 264148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>BTW does anyone want to crowdfund a bunker?</em></p> <p>A Scottish tenement with 600mm walls should be good enough to survive anything other than a nuclear direct-hit. One in Marchmont allegedly survived a WW2 bomb, with only broken windows.</p> <p>@steveo</p> <p>Qashqai one of the worst for emissions at 18 times the EU limit for NO2. Sorry.</p> <p><em>The Qashqai N-Connecta DCI CVT (1598cc) produces 1.46g of NOx per kilometre. That is more than 18 times Europe's 0.08g/km limit.</em></p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/how_toxic_is_your_car_exhaust" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/how_toxic_is_your_car_exhaust</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264137 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:31:55 +0000 steveo 264137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It's not just bikes - folk are holding back on any large purchase outwith firearms and freeze-dried food. Here is news of vital car sales.<br /> </em></p> <p>Just traded in the qashqai for APC, what price safety. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264135 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:25:00 +0000 Ed1 264135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some people say that aspartame is a toxin that is related to cancer but many dismiss as conspiracy the mainstream view is its a conspiracy .</p> <p>However that aside it is still may cause insolence resistance like sugar and think that is still being considered. If gives the feeling of sugar taste of sweet may be it would be expected to cause similar issues to sugar. Aspartame may be the marlboro light of sugar a product that is sold as a safer alternative that is not that great.<br /> Why if government nudge against sugar which may have effect of people switching to diet soft drinks may be akin incentive diesel cars over petrol by fixating on carbon not nox. </p> <p><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance" rel="nofollow">https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262&page=2#post-264132 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:16:42 +0000 I were right about that saddle 264132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo</p> <p>I just did a Sid James type laugh.</p> <p>It's not just bikes - folk are holding back on any large purchase outwith firearms and freeze-dried food. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/oct/23/uk-car-dealer-pendragon-profits-warning-uk-manufacturers-economy-business-live">Here is news of vital car sales.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264130 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:01:57 +0000 steveo 264130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Top scientists and researchers agree: we are being hit by toxic weapons in the food and water supply that are making us fat, sick, and stupid.<br /> </em></p> <p>Sugar? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264128 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:33:53 +0000 unhurt 264128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Combat hand sanitiser </em></p> <p>Well, war IS a dirty business.</p> <p><em>Top scientists and researchers agree: we are being hit by toxic weapons in the food and water supply that are making us fat, sick, and stupid.</em></p> <p>Those top scientists and researchers, they really get around. However, I am happy to have found something to blame for my size, health and intellectual issues. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264127 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:16:46 +0000 I were right about that saddle 264127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Other less right-wing conspiracy-minded survivalist supply vendors are also available.</em></p> <p>Tisos?</p> <p>I just love the things that Americans imagine you need to survive the breakdown of society. <a href="http://www.infowarsshop.com/Combat-One-17-oz-Field-Spray_p_1962.html">Combat hand sanitiser</a> is a particular favourite, but the best is the (presumably) self-defeating <a href="http://www.infowarsshop.com/Brain-Force-Plus_p_1611.html">Brain Force Plus</a> intelligence booster. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264124 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:05:53 +0000 unhurt 264124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Other less right-wing conspiracy-minded survivalist supply vendors are also available.</p> <p>BTW does anyone want to crowdfund a bunker? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264123 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:01:06 +0000 I were right about that saddle 264123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo</p> <p>People are spending their money <a href="http://www.infowarsshop.com/-Preparedness-Products_c_55.html">here</a> instead. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264122 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:50:42 +0000 steveo 264122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So recession is ending (apparently) and people are switching back to cars or are we at peak bike? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264104 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:00:35 +0000 gembo 264104@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know a chap and his family who are single handedly keeping a bike shop going in Glasgow.</p> <p>A medical man and a medical woman</p> <p>I know another medical man who bought lot of art from wee galleries in Glasgow he was known by the gallery owners as The Good Doctor, as he kept them going too.</p> <p>@weefoldingbike, to the same campsite? But not in May. I like the plays but they are excruciating </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264103 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:54:16 +0000 acsimpson 264103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We've done or bit and bought twice as many bikes this year as last. Only one new one, but it was this year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264102 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:19:37 +0000 wee folding bike 264102@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nuts in May, Abigail's Party?</p> <p>Not seen Vera Drake. Having kids means you don't get to see as many grown up movies and they don't seem to be on TV as much these days.</p> <p>I like Topsy Turvey but I already like G&amp;S.</p> <p>I'm in Dorset every summer where Nuts in May was filmed. I don't have a banjo but I've usually got a uke with me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264101 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:40:11 +0000 gembo 264101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like them all from Bleak Moments onwards, life is sweet, high hopes and happy go lucky all similar see also It's all just secrets and lies.</p> <p>Naked a lot harder.</p> <p>Vera drake, cup of tea?</p> <p>Never saw the Gilbert and Sullivan one all the way through but liked Mr Turner</p> <p>Seems I am a fan. Less keen on the plays but still like them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264099 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:28:04 +0000 wee folding bike 264099@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I watched it when I got the DVD but it's not one of my favourite Leigh movies. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264098 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:01:00 +0000 gembo 264098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@weefolds, it us at the start , the bike scene. Has scary driving instructor played by Eddie Marsdan with catchphrase - En RA Ha</p> <p>"Fortunately the BBC has installed state of the art first aid facilities for just this sort of folding bike accident" </p> <p>Quote from episode six of W1A, on tomorrow or available on catch up (well go beyond catch up and see the future) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264097 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:57:58 +0000 wee folding bike 264097@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've got the DVD of that movie somewhere. I'll need to find it and check what kind of bike it was.</p> <p>I always lock them. </p> <p>I once asked Mike Leigh what his favourite yoghurt was but didn't mention the bike. Next time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264094 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:54:29 +0000 gembo 264094@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the Mike Leigh movie happy go lucky, Sally Hawkins makes the mistake after a jolly cycle of not locking this bike, or similar and is surprised to find it knicked as she thought who would want to Nick it?</p> <p>So yes, lock it as someone else will want it </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18262#post-264093 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:40:22 +0000 wee folding bike 264093@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had to go to the south side to get it. </p> <p>It doesn't fold so it's a New Pin not a Kingpin.</p> <p>A wee bit too mint, steel rims, white tyres, Wood valves. Generator doesn't turn.</p> <p>Nobody will know what it is so I can lock it outside places. </p>