http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “Report finds Edinburgh’s transport network is one of the best in the world” en Sun, 31 May 2026 15:35:06 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-271497 Fri, 05 Jan 2018 17:18:02 +0000 crowriver 271497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"so long as they have enough trams to maintain the service frequency over a longer route."</p> <p>I thought they bought the whole lot they needed but as the line was curtailed some were mothballed as not required just now?</p> <p>So I imagine they have enough rolling stock. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-271447 Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:18:43 +0000 ejstubbs 271447@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you allow the assumption that the additional miles of track won't include any bottlenecks then I'd guess yes, so long as they have enough trams to maintain the service frequency over a longer route. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-271433 Fri, 05 Jan 2018 13:53:14 +0000 steveo 271433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Bosses say it's largely down to a new timetable which increased capacity.</em></p> <p>Guess the question is can they keep the same capacity if the trams are running a longer route. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-271424 Fri, 05 Jan 2018 13:22:44 +0000 Rosie 271424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Roll them on to Granton! Newhaven! Leith! (with due attention to cycle provision)</p> <p>Journeys made on Edinburgh's trams rose by 19% in the last year to 6.6 million.</p> <p>Bosses say it's largely down to a new timetable which increased capacity.</p> <p>Also, trials are underway to double the frequency at the busiest times</p> <p><a href="https://planetradio.co.uk/forth/local/news/big-jump-number-journeys-made-edinburgh-trams/" rel="nofollow">https://planetradio.co.uk/forth/local/news/big-jump-number-journeys-made-edinburgh-trams/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-270665 Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:28:44 +0000 Klaxon 270665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>While walking down Leith Walk yesterday I was keeping a deliberate eye on bus patronage</p> <p>I reckoned very few were with &lt;30 pax after Albert St. Far more than were being carried in private vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-270661 Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:55:21 +0000 LaidBack 270661@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.thenational.scot/news/15790663.Buses_relied_on_by_20__of_young_people_in_Scotland/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenational.scot/news/15790663.Buses_relied_on_by_20__of_young_people_in_Scotland/</a></p> <p>Buses relied on by 20% of young people in Scotland. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-270605 Fri, 22 Dec 2017 20:59:21 +0000 Ed1 270605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A bus or a car may often travel with average of much less people than can take. With a bus also get extra miles that may not have been travelled in a car or a bike. Some buses wander all over the place so adding extra miles, would need to include the waste extra miles to compare journey for journey. A bike may go more directly . A train may often travel with very low occupancy ( the trains that run over occupancy, over 100 percent hide the real average in stats ), they show the average train being more full than is. Light rail may gain efficiency at other costs to efficiency stopping the bus to let tram past.<br /> Also with a train route being so maintainer intensive the track a lot of staff, I would guess a bus is more efficient, but less than e bike. Is an e bike more efficient than even walking, as a regular bike is I suppose would depend how much boast was used. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-270604 Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:12:59 +0000 LaidBack 270604@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>:-)</p> <p>Just realised that comparing power use on an E-bus versus E-car fails to acknowledge the fact that the bus passenger travels further on less Kws too.<br /> E-train or tram with overhead wires is of course much more efficient - something they knew 100 years ago. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303&page=2#post-270603 Fri, 22 Dec 2017 19:03:43 +0000 chdot 270603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Maybe on wrong thread now but will let admin decide!"</p> <p>There is no "wrong thread", merely 'sub-optimum thread' or 'can't find the right thread' or 'can't be bothered to start a new thread' threads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-270600 Fri, 22 Dec 2017 18:12:48 +0000 LaidBack 270600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Curious to know how a bus compares with other EVs.</p> <p>From Wikipeia - "At an investment of over £2.7m, the new Wrightbus StreetAir single-deckers began operation on Lothian Buses Service 1 from Monday, October 2. The service runs through <em>Edinburgh’s central air quality management area</em>.</p> <p>"The vehicles can carry up to 70 passengers and are fitted with WiFi, high-back seats, USB charging points and LED spotlights. They operate on a pure electric powertrain, including an all-electric heating and cooling system, with 300kWh of total battery energy."</p> <p>Range is 130 miles so you might just make Aviemore on the A9.</p> <p>In comparison a Nissan Leaf model has a 30 kWh or 24kw battery and will do 107 miles (or around 90 miles) on a full battery charge.<br /> Your A9 journey would maybe have a break at Blair Atholl or Pitlochry.<br /> The bus moves 70 people at 300kw or a mere 4kw per passenger as opposed to four in a car at maybe 7.5kw each. An e-bike can move one person with 0.5kw or 0.4kw.<br /> A Tesla probably has a 150kw pack.</p> <p><em>Maybe on wrong thread now but will let admin decide!</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-270515 Thu, 21 Dec 2017 23:27:18 +0000 LaidBack 270515@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just been on one of Transport for Edinburgh's aka Lothian new all-electric buses.<br /> Quite rapid acceleration. Very busy as smaller than the Volvo hybrid single deckers.<br /> Fan noise inside bus quite loud. (?)<br /> Running on route 1/6 and 36 from what I can see.</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/27418383009/in/dateposted/" title="Lothian Electric Bus"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4600/27418383009_91af43701e.jpg" alt="Lothian Electric Bus" /></a></p> <p>Was looking for the Meanwhile on Lothian Buses thread ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265279 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:08:39 +0000 ih 265279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>TfL still has Oyster but people can now just use bank cards.</em></p> <p>...and their phones, but don't expect me to know how that works. </p> <p>Also tfl discounts oyster and contactless fares to incentivise cashless payments. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265278 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:01:22 +0000 neddie 265278@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The other issue with LB is that everyone is trying to get in and out of one door.</p> <p>Which takes forever as everyone waits for everyone to get off, then gets on, paying their £1-60s one by one...</p> <p>So slow.</p> <p>In the continent, they have 2 or 3 doors, you stamp your pre-bought ticket when you get on. Takes seconds to load/unload an entire bus. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265277 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:57:28 +0000 chdot 265277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I suppose the answer is primarily the investment needed in network and retailer hardware..."</p> <p>Not the retailer end so much. </p> <p>TfL still has Oyster but people can now just use bank cards. </p> <p>I'm sure SG <em>could</em> offer suitable incentives to bus companies (and ScotRail) to get this sorted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265274 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:33:30 +0000 Klaxon 265274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the prepaid tickets expire after 180 days...</em></p> <p>Swore off m-tickets for the same reason. Paying upfront then stealing them back off me isn't my idea of customer friendly.</p> <p>Doesn't "convert" to a day ticket if you make 3 trips either.</p> <p>Oyster had all this worked out a decade ago. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265273 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:31:48 +0000 crowriver 265273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Rosie, would have thought the mobile app would work for a lot of folk. Don't use it myself, prefer the pre-paid card as it's transferable. Day tickets are great too if making more than two journeys, but you need cash...</p> <p>I was recently in Tallinn and while you can't pay directly with contactless for public transport there, you can buy a similar pre-paid smart card that works on buses, trams. Only difference is you can buy them at any news kiosk, and if you don't use up all the journeys you can take the card to a kiosk (say at the airport) and get the balance refunded. Oh the other thing that was good was a single journey lasted an hour, so you could swap from bus to bus or tram within that period on one fare.</p> <p>A system like that, say with card purchasable at post offices, newsagents or supermarkets could work well. I mean, you buy lottery tickets in plenty of places, why not a citysmart card? I suppose the answer is primarily the investment needed in network and retailer hardware... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265270 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:07:10 +0000 Rosie 265270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver<br /> I had an American woman staying and she was taking an early bus to the airport. Not enough change and she would have to spend a certain amount before being able to get the thingme on her phone. So not good for a one-off payment. She went to a shop to get some change. She obviously found that primitive - "Come on Scotland" she said.</p> <p>I've used contactless in a small Swedish city though it looked like you'd have to have a credit card before you could travel.</p> <p>I really like Edinburgh buses. A cheap treat for my New Zealand guests is to take them about in the top of double deckers on a day ticket - the double decker bit is thrill enough.</p> <p>Also, if you have a couple of hours to kill in the city, it's too cold to sit outside (ie most days) and you don't want to go to a café, you buy a newspaper and climb to the top of a bus, while it takes you to the terminus. I did that last year with a friend to Straiton - the driver thought we were eccentric to get off that bus and take the next one back, but we had been somewhere clean, comfortable and warm that we didn't have to pay for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265266 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 14:45:53 +0000 crowriver 265266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"No contactless card payments;"</p> <p>You can purchase a smart card (citysmart) which can be topped up with a prepaid amount: bit like the Oyster card idea. Effectively this replaces the adult carnet of pre-paid tickets and is pretty convenient. Can be topped up at the TravelShop, park and ride kiosks, or on the bus (with cash) if need be. Only snag is the prepaid tickets expire after 180 days...</p> <p>Partner and I share one and it works fine so far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265263 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:59:24 +0000 gibbo 265263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@threefromleith </p> <p>I was lucky. It was mid-morning and a double decker. After realising the woman wasn't going to turn off Elvis, I went upstairs. </p> <p>(Which was pleasant, and gave a nice view of the tailback we were stuck in on Ferry Rd.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265261 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:51:03 +0000 threefromleith 265261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gibbo For smells, it's hard to beat the passengers who sit behind you, exhaling breath so putridly sour that it's melting the rubber seals around the windows and encouraging your breakfast to make a sudden reappearance.</p> <p>*boak* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265259 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:13:35 +0000 gibbo 265259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The stifling heat, the BO, the people shouting into their mobile phones...</em></p> <p>Was on a bus this morning..Things were fine for the first mile and a half until a guy got on who absolutely reeked of stale smoke.</p> <p>The a woman started playing loud music on her phone. Not a kid. A woman. 50ish. </p> <p>And when I say "on her phone", I mean, no headphones, just playing music. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265258 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 13:06:25 +0000 ih 265258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Issues with Lothian Buses-</p> <p>No separate exit door (though admittedly would need more than management vision to fix this). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265256 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:57:57 +0000 chdot 265256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“But these things are all relatively solvable with a bit of management vision“</p> <p>True... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265255 Wed, 01 Nov 2017 12:49:35 +0000 PS 265255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh's buses are terrific - modern, clean, comfortable. </p> <p>They do suffer from a few issues:<br /> Failure to offer transfer tickets;<br /> No contactless card payments;<br /> Far too many routes going through Princes Street;<br /> Heating the cabin for the benefit of the driver in shirtsleeves rather than their passengers wrapped up in winter clothing;<br /> etc<br /> But these things are all relatively solvable with a bit of management vision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265180 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 21:54:58 +0000 Rosie 265180@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The stifling heat, the BO, the people shouting into their mobile phones...</em></p> <p>Only really noticed the first 2 when getting caught in spectators heading Tyneside way.</p> <p>The buses are pretty good, I'd say. They could make the fares easier with credit card contact.</p> <p>A bus driver told me the 22 is the most profitable bus route in Europe. The 22 is like the underground - you don't bother checking for times as they are so frequent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265170 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:49:29 +0000 gembo 265170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh. Buss very good value. I am not surprised they are 17th in the world. Same in fact as Edinburgh university.</p> <p>Given how easy it is to get around Edinburgh on foot, by bike, Bus, tram and train we should be aiming for top ten </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265160 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:03:55 +0000 crowriver 265160@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"they have the heating on full-blast all summer"</p> <p>You mean those four days of sunshine we had in July? The rest of the "summer" was a bit of a damp squib.</p> <p>"The stifling heat, the BO, the people shouting into their mobile phones..."</p> <p>It's really not *that* bad on the bus. Granted, a peak time 26 or similar will be a bit claustrophobic. Rest of the time the buses are fine.</p> <p>Still prefer to cycle or walk most of the time, but when I do take the bus, it's usually pretty good these days. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265149 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:33:25 +0000 I were right about that saddle 265149@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The stifling heat, the BO, the people shouting into their mobile phones...</em></p> <p>Sounds dreadful. L'enfer c'est les autres and all that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265147 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:21:03 +0000 Calum 265147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is Fake News. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18303#post-265138 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:35:33 +0000 gibbo 265138@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@threefromleith</p> <p>Whenever I'm on buses, I find myself understanding why people love their cars.</p> <p>The stifling heat, the BO, the people shouting into their mobile phones...</p> <p>Fortunately, I also find myself realising how great it is to cycle when I see cyclists filtering past the bus when it's stuck in a huge tailback. </p>