http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Today's rubbish sentencing en Fri, 06 Mar 2026 00:17:29 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-380699 Thu, 21 Aug 2025 14:12:12 +0000 chdot 380699@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Wallace was sentenced to carry out 133 hours of unpaid work in the community and banned from driving for 12 months </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/courts/bin-lorry-driver-who-caused-death-of-edinburgh-schoolboy-thomas-wong-avoids-jail-5283195" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/courts/bin-lorry-driver-who-caused-death-of-edinburgh-schoolboy-thomas-wong-avoids-jail-5283195</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-373463 Sun, 18 Feb 2024 21:53:09 +0000 Tulyar 373463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The offences of CDDD and CDCD came in in the 1950's or 1960's to 'soften the stigma for all those drivers facing manslaughter charges, and to possibly ease the burden on courts?</p> <p>I'd like to see killing people with cars treated in exactly the same way as killing people with any other machinery or objects - make all uniformly manslaughter unless the case can clearly be proved as murder (ie action with intent to kill)</p> <p>Not sure if Roman Law applying in Scotland, and several Traffic Laws separately defined, and applied for Scotland, woul mean that the Scottish Parliament can make such changes in Scotland</p> <p>It would be great if we could press change forwards through MSP's and Scottish Laws</p> <p>Some detail may need UK wide delivery</p> <p>One which might work could be to use Section 97 of Roads Scotland Act 1984 to argue that cycle deliveries (mainly fast food riders using illegal electric mopeds) and the sub 3.5 Ton vans used for supermarket deliveries, plus online orders, are classed as 'street trading' (commercial use of public roads) and Just Eat, Uber Eats, Deliveroo, Amazon, Yodel, Zedify, Delivery Mates, Evri etc all need to have a licence and keep records of vehicles and drivers operating for them, directly or as contractors</p> <p>Class B licences might move toward the same system as Class C,D,E licences where the divers have a 'tacho card' that is unique to the driver, and can limit the ability to drive a vehicle, as well as recording hours driven &amp; speeds etc. Some Class D drivers (National Express contractors) have to do a breath test (Alco-Lock) before they can restart a coach to drive after a stop (this after a couple of notorious incidents with drivers of overnight services pulled over with passengers on board and over alcohol limit)</p> <p>For most modern cars with electronic vehicle management systems the retro enabling of speed controls, and driver i/d required to drive is possible, if the will is there (or law demands it...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-373379 Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:21:49 +0000 chdot 373379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/violent-driver-avoids-jail-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-306715" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/violent-driver-avoids-jail-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-306715</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372884 Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:08:54 +0000 chdot 372884@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A jury has found a delivery driver not guilty of causing death by careless driving following a trial that centred around the defence that the accused was unable to see the cyclist killed due to glare from the low sun.</p> <p>Christopher Morrison was found not guilty at Peterhead Sheriff Court on Friday</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/delivery-driver-who-hit-cyclist-found-not-guilty-306185" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/delivery-driver-who-hit-cyclist-found-not-guilty-306185</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372673 Tue, 02 Jan 2024 18:43:46 +0000 chdot 372673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don’t know about rubbish sentencing. </p> <p>Highlights difference between ‘deliberate’ and ‘only an accident, could happen to anyone’…</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/02/cheshire-woman-found-guilty-of-after-running-over-fiance-in-fiesta" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/02/cheshire-woman-found-guilty-of-after-running-over-fiance-in-fiesta</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372589 Fri, 29 Dec 2023 13:46:49 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 372589@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There seems little logic or consistency to sentencing of driving offences</p> <p>Contrast the above with</p> <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/speeding-drug-driver-avoids-jail-killing-cyclist-304839" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/speeding-drug-driver-avoids-jail-killing-cyclist-304839</a></p> <p>Death of victim, drink &amp; drugs ingested, speeding = suspended sentence </p> <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/suspended-sentence-farce-says-family-killed-cyclist-300423" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/suspended-sentence-farce-says-family-killed-cyclist-300423</a></p> <p>Death of victim, pleaded not guilty, victim blaming = suspended sentence </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372588 Fri, 29 Dec 2023 12:27:51 +0000 chdot 372588@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/driver-jailed-year-causing-horror-crash-cyclist" rel="nofollow">https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/driver-jailed-year-causing-horror-crash-cyclist</a></p> <p>I won’t link to the bits of Twitter that say ‘shouldn’t have been jailed for an accident’… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372575 Thu, 28 Dec 2023 11:09:49 +0000 edinburgh87 372575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll bet! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372572 Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:39:23 +0000 gembo 372572@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A pal of mine, has a brother out that way - Tyninghame. Small community, big seismic shock to the community. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372571 Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:14:27 +0000 edinburgh87 372571@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glad to hear it! Didn’t make connection on first reading. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372568 Wed, 27 Dec 2023 18:40:35 +0000 gembo 372568@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He ain’t no relation of mine Rosco. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372558 Wed, 27 Dec 2023 12:57:37 +0000 edinburgh87 372558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A “throw away the key” job I think</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/east-lothian-driver-who-caused-28352241" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/east-lothian-driver-who-caused-28352241</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372555 Wed, 27 Dec 2023 10:54:39 +0000 chdot 372555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A Lanarkshire grandmother who was freed from prison after colliding in her car with a mother and three children at a pedestrian crossing was told she is going back to jail today.</p> <p>Appeal judges rejected a legal challenge by Melanie Grierson against a one year term imposed on her in October after she was convicted of driving dangerously resulting in serious injury to the woman and one child and injury to the two other victims.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/lanarkshire-gran-freed-prison-after-28297884" rel="nofollow">https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/lanarkshire-gran-freed-prison-after-28297884</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372160 Sun, 10 Dec 2023 22:39:42 +0000 chdot 372160@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/motorist-racially-abused-and-reversed-cyclists-305589" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/motorist-racially-abused-and-reversed-cyclists-305589</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372151 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 16:19:33 +0000 Frenchy 372151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>How does an electronic tag monitor abstaining from drinking? </em></p> <p>By measuring the wearer's sweat. <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56583153">BBC article from when they were piloted.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372148 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 15:58:44 +0000 ejstubbs 372148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How does an electronic tag monitor abstaining from drinking? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-372146 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 14:11:52 +0000 chdot 372146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>A DRUNK-DRIVER who knocked a cyclist off his bike and assaulted an emergency worker has narrowly avoided going to jail.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/23962878.bristol-woman-fled-scene-hitting-cyclist-caerphilly/" rel="nofollow">https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/23962878.bristol-woman-fled-scene-hitting-cyclist-caerphilly/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371990 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:56:53 +0000 chdot 371990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not driving </p> <p>Just don’t understand the life/min 6 years</p> <p>“</p> <p>Boyd-Stevenson pleaded guilty to one count of arson with recklessness as to whether life was endangered. His sentencing took place at Bristol Crown Court, where he was given a life sentence with a minimum term of six years. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.nationalworld.com/news/crime/bristol-fire-underfall-boat-yard-man-sentence-life-damage-4426160" rel="nofollow">https://www.nationalworld.com/news/crime/bristol-fire-underfall-boat-yard-man-sentence-life-damage-4426160</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371432 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 16:10:27 +0000 chdot 371432@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-11-01/new-driver-who-killed-cyclist-while-speeding-spared-jail" rel="nofollow">https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-11-01/new-driver-who-killed-cyclist-while-speeding-spared-jail</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371419 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 15:43:34 +0000 Frenchy 371419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I find this bit far more offensively lenient, to be honest: "banned from driving for three years" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371418 Wed, 01 Nov 2023 15:32:01 +0000 chdot 371418@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>“Arrogant” speeding driver with drugs and alcohol in his system avoids jail for killing cyclist, as prosecutor says incident was “just below” dangerous driving threshold</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/speeding-drug-driver-avoids-jail-killing-cyclist-304839" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/speeding-drug-driver-avoids-jail-killing-cyclist-304839</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371399 Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:33:25 +0000 chdot 371399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The police undertook a serious collision investigation and the Crown Prosecution Service subsequently prosecuted the defendant driver for careless driving. The driver pleaded guilty, yet despite the severity of the injuries caused, his licence was endorsed with just 5 points and he was only fined £146.</p> <p>Our client sustained severe brain injuries, facial fractures, ophthalmic and orthopaedic injuries and was in intensive care for several weeks. Four months after the accident, he moved back to his native South Korea so that his family could care for him.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.stewartslaw.com/news/settlement-secured-for-architect-who-sustained-life-changing-injuries/" rel="nofollow">https://www.stewartslaw.com/news/settlement-secured-for-architect-who-sustained-life-changing-injuries/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=9#post-371373 Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:29:27 +0000 Arellcat 371373@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>mental health problems, which included anxiety and depression</blockquote></p> <p>If her condition was such as to lead to this kind of behaviour on the road, perhaps she should not have been driving.</p> <p><blockquote>Torgerson was given a two-year sentence, suspended for two years. She will have to spend 30 days working with probation and she was banned from driving for two years and will have to take an extended re-test to get her licence back.</blockquote></p> <p>Two. Years.</p> <p>If the cyclist isn't able to access PTSD therapy, the experience will stay with him an awful lot longer than that suspended jail sentence will stay with Torgerson. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-371371 Mon, 30 Oct 2023 14:53:55 +0000 chdot 371371@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>"This was a very serious offence indeed. I think the right sentence is three to four years in prison - it's that serious. Cyclists are vulnerable and it's the court's first duty to protect them."</p> <p>But he went on to list the reasons why he would suspend the jail sentence, including Torgerson's history of mental health issues and a doctor's opinion that she suffers with post-traumatic stress disorder that could cause "outbursts".</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/woman-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-sending-8863863" rel="nofollow">https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/woman-deliberately-rammed-cyclist-sending-8863863</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-371045 Sat, 07 Oct 2023 19:00:34 +0000 acsimpson 371045@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would say that the initial undertake and brake check we're definitely deliberate but then he lost control which lead to violent swerving and crashes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-371043 Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:19:29 +0000 Frenchy 371043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The mention of the spare tyre in the headline is really strange there. I was expecting a sudden, "accidental" swerve. But the video shows what looks to me to be repeated and deliberate swerving. </p> <p>A two year ban seems very lenient to me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-371041 Sat, 07 Oct 2023 15:23:23 +0000 chdot 371041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>He must also complete 10 days of rehabilitation activity and pay £250 in costs. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/07/driver-who-swerved-across-three-lanes-of-m25-on-spare-tyre-disqualified" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/07/driver-who-swerved-across-three-lanes-of-m25-on-spare-tyre-disqualified</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-371002 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 14:56:35 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 371002@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today's good sentencing for a change</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-67016538" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-67016538</a></p> <p>"On sentencing, Lord Arthurson said Taylor had made "wholly inappropriate and scurrilous" comments about Mr Wilson's relatives.</p> <p>The judge added he had "doubled down" by "further victim blaming" in a pre-sentencing report.</p> <p>He said Taylor had proceeded "yet again" to blame Mr Wilson, from Newtongrange, for causing the collision.</p> <p>"In my view, you outrageously made the appalling suggestion that his family were financially motivated," he said.</p> <p>"The author of the report describes your attitude to the consequences of your actions as blasé and questioned the authenticity of your apparently stated remorse."</p> <p>Lord Arthurson gave no discount for the guilty plea for a number of reasons including Taylor's conduct and for failing to turn up for an earlier court date.</p> <p>He was also banned from driving for 16 years." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-370991 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 11:36:53 +0000 chdot 370991@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>During a sentencing hearing at the High Court in Edinburgh, Lord Sandison pointed out that Toshack was driving while he more than two times over the legal limit for cannabis.</p> <p>Toshack admitted that he smoked the drug the night before the collision and said he had been using cannabis for 30 years.</p> <p>The first offender, from Kelty in Fife, had previously denied causing the death of Mr Harrison by dangerous driving in Edinburgh during a trial.</p> <p>A jury convicted him of the lesser offence of causing death by careless driving and driving while over the legal limit for cannabis.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67018362" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67018362</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501&page=8#post-370961 Wed, 04 Oct 2023 15:42:39 +0000 chdot 370961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/drink-driver-jailed-causing-death-27827577" rel="nofollow">https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/drink-driver-jailed-causing-death-27827577</a> </p>