http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh Tram Extension to Newhaven en Wed, 13 May 2026 03:31:35 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-349595 Thu, 15 Apr 2021 00:05:29 +0000 CycleAlex 349595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tram TRO drawings: <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/tramstonewhaven/downloads/file/430/traffic-regulation-order-tro-final-drawings-april-2021-pdf-" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/tramstonewhaven/downloads/file/430/traffic-regulation-order-tro-final-drawings-april-2021-pdf-</a></p> <p>Shows the new, more protected junction designs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-338910 Tue, 13 Oct 2020 09:11:59 +0000 McD 338910@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hellooo again!</p> <p>Communication from the TtN programme is finally starting to open up again. The Active Travel Group meetings are resuming on the 28th. These stopped at the beginning of the year when Darren Wraight, the "Interface Manager" reporting to the Senior Responsible Officer (Hannah Ross) left to work for the contractors.</p> <p>This is when we start discussing the detailed designs.<br /> The Group included Living Streets, Active Travel Team; Edinburgh Cycle Hire; Access Panel; Transform; Spokes<br /> The TROs were focussed on waiting and loading restrictions and did not contain much design detail. They confirmed the addition and impact of the side platform at Picardy Place and included a move of the McDonald Road tram stop further towards Picardy Place.</p> <p>There is a lot of new design detail in the arrangement plans in the planning portal for Prior Approval of the following, closing date yesterday/tomorrow:</p> <p>20/03985/PA (Prior Approval) McDonald Rd tram stop 12 Oct. Jackie McInnes<br /> 20/03986/PA Balfour St tram stop “” “” “” “”<br /> 20/04056/PA Shore tram stop and shelter, infrastructure 14 Oct. “” “”<br /> 20/04058/PA Newhaven "" "" “” “”<br /> 20/04060/PA Ocean Terminal “” “” “” ""</p> <p>There has been no notification of these plans. Seemingly the PA is a bit of a formality, but worryingly there is a huge amount of detail in the associated arrangement drawings - potentially meaning that it's going to be difficult to get significant changes.</p> <p>Spokes Planning Group is making initial comments on the designs, although probably not the appropriate process. We might need to form a sub-group to get into the detail.<br /> Let me know if you would be interested in working with us.</p> <p>Martin </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-334120 Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:12:44 +0000 CycleAlex 334120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Happened to come across the TRO plans for T2N, some modest good news in that the rubbish crossing for those cycling north in the bidirectional lane has been replaced with a single stage crossing at Annandale Street: <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/tramstonewhaven/downloads/file/289/permanent-designs-october-2019" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/tramstonewhaven/downloads/file/289/permanent-designs-october-2019</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-323020 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:47:25 +0000 chdot 323020@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah</p> <p>So no access from LW? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-323019 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:40:55 +0000 I were right about that saddle 323019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Is it necessary to reopen this </em></p> <p>Would the police station not be cut off otherwise? Can't imagine van-loads of bad boys and girls being off-loaded at a logistics hub and the bad boys and girls transported to the cells on trolleys. Well I <em>can</em> imagine it, but you know what I mean. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-323013 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:58:20 +0000 neddie 323013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>“The northwest corner of Gayfield Square will be temporarily re-opened“</p> <p>That’ll be the special CEC interpretation of “temporary”.</em></p> <p>Oh God. I feel so sorry for the residents there </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-323003 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:25:41 +0000 chdot 323003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“The northwest corner of Gayfield Square will be temporarily re-opened“</p> <p>That’ll be the special CEC interpretation of “temporary”. </p> <p>My reasons for leaving Edinburgh were various, but the whole GSq saga made me give up bothering with CEC. </p> <p>It was/is totemic of the way CEC can’t deal with simple things while pursing grand projects. </p> <p>Is it necessary to reopen this (apart from the convenience of people with vehicles wider than a bicycle)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322991 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:14:09 +0000 gembo 322991@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver that is a fair point but I really see it as CHdot’s rubber kerb, his own personal rubber kerb so down right rude not to consult him </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322990 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:01:08 +0000 crowriver 322990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot now a Fifer so the question of consultation is moot.</p> <p>Perhaps a subsequent weakening of the cycling life force in the city led unwittingly to this calamity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322987 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:44:18 +0000 gembo 322987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rubber kerb to go? No consultation with @CHDot Shocka </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322982 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:59:09 +0000 I were right about that saddle 322982@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>Cycling infrastructure</strong></p> <p>Cyclists will be encouraged to use a temporary bidirectional cycle lane on the west side of Leith Walk, this will be maintained throughout the project with local diversions as and when required to carry out works, all diversions will be properly signed and available for use by all.</p> <p>Oh, OK. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322981 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:57:03 +0000 I were right about that saddle 322981@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The northwest corner of Gayfield Square will be temporarily re-opened using a painted mini roundabout.</em></p> <p>RIP The Rubber Kerb. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322980 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:55:56 +0000 I were right about that saddle 322980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Leith Walk will be closed northbound from London Road roundabout to Manderston Street. Leith Walk southbound will be restricted to 1 lane only, a 3.5 meter running lane will always be maintained, there will be no waiting allowed on the running lane.</em></p> <p>Narrator: But they did wait. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322969 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 14:29:36 +0000 jonty 322969@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think that maybe came first. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322955 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:59:01 +0000 wingpig 322955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was that 2012 re-laying part of the same work which made the Shore one-way? For some weird reason I mostly went along Commercial St to get to the NEPN at Lindsay Road back then, so didn't use the Sandport opening as much as I do now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322931 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:34:28 +0000 jonty 322931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Henderson Street was fully recobbled in 2012. I walked past every day in the summer and the progress and different stages were fascinating. So a retro-fit rather than a re-do probably more likely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322909 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 08:36:57 +0000 wingpig 322909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A short section of Henderson St became tarmac a few years ago, but only a bit just north of Parliament St. I never go on that bit northbound (I'm usually crossing from Giles to Parliament then going along to the new dropped-kern cut-through on the other bank heading to the WoL) so can't tell how well it's doing under so many buses. Maybe there'll be a Brighton Place-style recobbling/flattening argument. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322895 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 21:54:40 +0000 mkoerner 322895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And Henderson St is cobbled - which is the main reason I'm avoiding cycling on it at the moment. Any plans for getting it tarmacked? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=11#post-322882 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:12:38 +0000 toomanybikes 322882@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, there'd have to be some cycle infrastructure along Junction street to get to Henderson Street. May as well continue it for another 900m in my opinion... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-322866 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:17:38 +0000 Rob 322866@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sounds like a typical "put them out of the way" response. How do you get from the Foot of the Walk to Henderson Street without using the busiest part of Great Junction Street? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-322832 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 06:14:50 +0000 CycleAlex 322832@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Preferred route is via Henderson Street for the Foot of the Walk - Ocean Terminal active travel project. Great Junction Street and New Kirkgate discounted.</p> <p><a href="https://leithcentralcc.co.uk/2020/02/17/community-councils-together-on-trams-trams-team-meeting-30-january-2019/">Found buried in some Community Council minutes.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-297024 Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:34:23 +0000 McD 297024@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meeting set up re a Leith Cycling Network/alternatives for Constitution Street to Newhaven - 11th December - will report back on behalf of Spokes.</p> <p>"All</p> <p>In conjunction with Sustrans and Aecom we will be carrying out a feasibility exercise focussed on the provision of a cycleway from the Foot of Leith Walk to Ocean Terminal.</p> <p>This meeting invitation is to discuss and agree with key stakeholders the main objectives for the project.</p> <p>Kind regards<br /> Michael</p> <p>Turner &amp; Townsend Limited "</p> <p>ADMIN EDIT</p> <p>Names and emails removed </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-295437 Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:18:28 +0000 Frenchy 295437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/ce/tramstonewhaven2/">Consultation</a> on revised plans ends Sunday.</p> <p>For my own benefit, I (crudely) stitched together the plans. This can be downloaded <a href="https://flic.kr/p/2cM31G6">here.</a> It's a 22MB file, though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-293090 Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:36:01 +0000 i 293090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chrispaton You make a good point that even the perfect street in isolation is not a very good network. </p> <p>I would argue that Leith Walk is a very important backbone in the future network. There is also the fact that lots of residential streets join directly onto Leith Walk; already on its own the cycle paths will prove useful to local people who want to use this street. </p> <p>The Dutch average cycle journey length is actually quite short, about 2km, see the second bar chart in this <a href="https://space4peoplebyresroad.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/appropriate-transport/">blog</a>. </p> <p>I took the Innertube Map and added Leith Walk in dark blue (tramline in black). I reckon doesn't take much rat-run elimination and extra links to join the existing off-road network to Leith Walk. I'd also argue that Leith Walk is closer to being a missing link than an isolated network.<br /> <a href="https://i.imgur.com/JrAPAjy.jpg">Direct Image Link</a></p> <p>If you make the cycle paths child friendly, you make it usable for elderly and disabled people and usable for everyone in between. I want to aim for mass cycling for everyone because that's where the whole society can reap the rewards of cycling. </p> <p>You also might find this blog interesting, <a href="https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/blog/2013/07/03/how-does-a-dutch-environment-work-for-pedestrians">a dutch pedestrian perspective</a>, for most people cycling, I'd say its closer to walking than to driving (in terms of speed and kinetic energy) and the streets should reflect that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292994 Sat, 06 Oct 2018 12:57:31 +0000 ejstubbs 292994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>@chrispaton</strong>: I think a problem with that is that, once the trams tracks are in place, the "short on-carriageway section around a bus stop" would involve crossing on to the tram track - most likely at a dangerous angle. Even with mitigations such as compressible or deflectable inserts the rails would be a slip hazard in anything other than dry conditions (and this is, after all, Scotland).</p> <p>Although not ideal, I think that on balance I would prefer to take my chances cycling with care on a good surface in the vicinity of pedestrians/bus passengers, versus mixing it with trams on a less than ideal surface. Either option is quite likely to involve having to give way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292985 Sat, 06 Oct 2018 09:08:46 +0000 Klaxon 292985@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>This seems much preferable for a cyclist with even a little confidence </em></p> <p>This basically the vehicular cycling philosophy which has and continues to shape UK cycling non-facilities into expensive, useless paint </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292983 Sat, 06 Oct 2018 08:31:24 +0000 Frenchy 292983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pretty unconvinced here as well. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292980 Sat, 06 Oct 2018 01:24:59 +0000 chrispaton 292980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for the feedback -- I'm definitely interested in the views of the wider community.</p> <p>I confess that today I prefer the lower (northern) part of Leith Walk with the advisory lanes to the segregated bit between McDonald Road and Pilrig Street. That lower part is a perfect stretch of wide, straight, cycle lane without interruption (though I welcome the Transport Bill banning double parking). The segregated lane constantly deviates in and out around bins, bus stops, and side roads, and has conflict with pedestrians.</p> <p>Don't get me wrong -- I get that the preferred outcome depends on the user, and I also wouldn't want a younger child on the carriageway at any point either. But I question whether we should be designing for a young child given that most of them are carried by bike seat, cargo bike, or tagalong; very few end-to-end journeys are possible only by completely segregated or quiet cycle routes, even factoring in network development over the next 10 years. I therefore suggest that we should design for adults and older children (e.g. 8+), and I believe that they could indeed navigate a short on-carriageway section around a bus stop, as they might do on other roads. This seems much preferable for a cyclist with even a little confidence and provides a direct route with no pedestrian conflict.</p> <p>Have I convinced anyone, or are folk still unconvinced? :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292978 Fri, 05 Oct 2018 23:28:13 +0000 i 292978@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver For completeness sake here's the April 2018 proposals compared to my tweaks. </p> <p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/m32mSln.gif">Direct link.</a></p> <p>I wonder how the tweaks would fit into that feedback. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18506&page=10#post-292956 Fri, 05 Oct 2018 19:09:32 +0000 Klaxon 292956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Big fan of that Elm Row redesign</p> <p>"cars allowed, cycles prioritised"</p> <p>Much more pedestrian room too </p>