http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “New firm poised to control half of Princes St Gardens” en Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:45:09 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-321309 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:06:26 +0000 gembo 321309@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>looks interesting</p> <p>if they all show up (they wont) will be busted.</p> <p>Facilitated by Journalist, Broadcaster and Presenter Stephen Jardine (BBC Scotland's Debate Night).<br /> Contributors will include:<br /> David McGillivray, Professor in Event and Digital Cultures at University of the West of Scotland (UWS). David has been involved in research exploring the role of major events in the transformation of urban space.<br /> Cliff Hague, Professor Emeritus of Planning and Spatial Development at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, Past President of the Royal Town Planning Institute and of the Commonwealth Association of Planners and Chair of the Cockburn Association.<br /> Dr Michelle Hipwell, Accredited Health Psychologist and active member of the Astley Ainslie Community Trust.<br /> Mariana Trusson, Chartered Engineer who specialises in sustainable design strategy. She has building physics, health, well-being and sustainability teams for consultancies in Scotland and the North East and was the former Chair of the Edinburgh Sustainable Development Partnership.<br /> Andy Wightman, MSP writer and researcher best known for his work on land ownership in Scotland. Andy is an expert on Common Good land.<br /> Entry is free, but please book to give us an idea of numbers. 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All Rights Reserved<br /> Website by Urwin Studio </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-321298 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:16:02 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 321298@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cockburn Assoc goes mass market tonight:</p> <p><a href="http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/90/41/City-for-Sale-The-Commodification-of-Edinburgh-s-Public-Spaces/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/90/41/City-for-Sale-The-Commodification-of-Edinburgh-s-Public-Spaces/</a></p> <p>700 attendees signed up already apparently </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-321083 Sun, 19 Jan 2020 09:39:48 +0000 chdot 321083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/national-galleries-stump-help-bring-princes-street-gardens-scratch-after-delays-ps22m-revamp-1367764" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/national-galleries-stump-help-bring-princes-street-gardens-scratch-after-delays-ps22m-revamp-1367764</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-321063 Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:10:03 +0000 chdot 321063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not Christmas Market aftermath.</p> <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinburgh-fife-lothians/unacceptable-burning-of-memorial-benches-prompts-launch-of-inquiry-1-5076991" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinburgh-fife-lothians/unacceptable-burning-of-memorial-benches-prompts-launch-of-inquiry-1-5076991</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-320640 Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:23:20 +0000 chdot 320640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18153489.anger-gardens-left-mudbath-edinburghs-christmas-market/" rel="nofollow">https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18153489.anger-gardens-left-mudbath-edinburghs-christmas-market/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-319066 Sat, 07 Dec 2019 11:15:07 +0000 chdot 319066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-west-princes-street-gardens-could-be-split-two-under-ps25m-open-air-events-arena-plan-1335065" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-west-princes-street-gardens-could-be-split-two-under-ps25m-open-air-events-arena-plan-1335065</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-318257 Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:29:16 +0000 chdot 318257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/23/edinburgh-christmas-german-market-splits-opinions-local-residents" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/23/edinburgh-christmas-german-market-splits-opinions-local-residents</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-318102 Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:16:11 +0000 chdot 318102@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-christmas-market-bosses-were-not-halted-despite-no-planning-permission-due-public-benefit-event-1315180" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-christmas-market-bosses-were-not-halted-despite-no-planning-permission-due-public-benefit-event-1315180</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317829 Thu, 14 Nov 2019 22:53:40 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 317829@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Broughton Spurtle, the Greens &amp; even the Chipwrapper deserve great credit in holding Underbelly &amp; the council’s feet to the fire over this debacle</p> <p>Paul Lawrence’s jaikit must be on an increasingly shoogly peg </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317828 Thu, 14 Nov 2019 22:30:02 +0000 chdot 317828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-christmas-market-did-not-have-planning-permission-in-2018-as-urgent-inquiry-launched-1-5046409" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-christmas-market-did-not-have-planning-permission-in-2018-as-urgent-inquiry-launched-1-5046409</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317735 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:42:40 +0000 I were right about that saddle 317735@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider</p> <p><a href="https://grocerytrader.co.uk/try-a-new-tradition-this-christmas-with-pepsi-max/">Try a new tradition this Christmas with Pepsi MAX®</a></p> <p>A <em>new</em> tradition. Do you see now? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317734 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:23:38 +0000 Morningsider 317734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The "traditional" start of Edinburgh's Christmas celebrations involves a pile of shipping containers on the Lawnmarket in the middle of November? Wow, I gave up even the slightest pretence of understanding fashions years ago - now it seems I can't even keep up with traditions. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317731 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:11:40 +0000 chrisfl 317731@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes (more or less); it takes much longer to setup than take down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317730 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:04:49 +0000 chdot 317730@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SO</p> <p>Removed on the 18th? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317729 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:04:17 +0000 chdot 317729@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>CHECK THE DATE!!!</p> <p>“</p> <p>17th November 2019, 3.30pm</p> <p>There will be nothing old-fashioned about the traditional start to Edinburgh’s Christmas celebrations this year</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghschristmas.com/whats-on/light-night3" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghschristmas.com/whats-on/light-night3</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317721 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 14:45:33 +0000 Arellcat 317721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe it actually <em>is</em> to be a reconstructed Netherbow. I mean, Tower Bridge in London is just a self-supporting steel frame underneath all that fancy stone cladding. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317718 Wed, 13 Nov 2019 14:32:25 +0000 Morningsider 317718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just in case the Royal Mile was <a href="https://twitter.com/thecockburn/status/1194578037934895104">feeling left out</a> after Princes Street Gardens getting all the press... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317647 Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:54:55 +0000 chdot 317647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Councillors have agreed to investigate potentially moving a controversial Christmas market out of Princes Street Gardens in 2020 – as the company behind the event was accused of “treating this city with contempt”. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-council-investigate-moving-christmas-market-out-princes-street-gardens-2020-981484" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-council-investigate-moving-christmas-market-out-princes-street-gardens-2020-981484</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317310 Wed, 06 Nov 2019 23:27:22 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 317310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile in t'other half of the Gardens:</p> <p>"The gardens would be accessed from Princes Street by the welcome centre." (give me strength!)</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-50290135" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-50290135</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2019/11/consultation-dates-for-west-princes-street-gardens/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2019/11/consultation-dates-for-west-princes-street-gardens/</a></p> <p>Non-statutory consultation (should one choose to engage):</p> <p><a href="https://www.thequaichproject.org/consultation" rel="nofollow">https://www.thequaichproject.org/consultation</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-317308 Wed, 06 Nov 2019 22:51:43 +0000 chdot 317308@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The Cockburn believes that there are multiple, systemic failures in the governance and management of this proposals. We state again, the Cockburn recognises the value to the City of such events such as the Christmas Market but has significant concerns about creep of commercialisation in our public parks and places. The structure erected here is so grossly out of keeping with previous events and is so incongruous in scale that it destroys the very character of the city which the operators are trying to exploit.</p> <p>A fundamental, independent review is required. We hope that our Civic Leaders understand that Edinburgh is not their plaything to do with what they will, and that public regulatory processes apply as much to them and their contractors as to the rest of us.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/84/41/Christmas-Anomaly-Continued/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cockburnassociation.org.uk/blog/84/41/Christmas-Anomaly-Continued/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316816 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:54:55 +0000 gembo 316816@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What is a respectful way to treat memorial benches if you are moving them for this Xmas tatt fest/? If the one that was on its side hadn’t fallen over it would maybe have looked ok???</p> <p>Parks dept employees wear white gloves. Each bench is carefully lifted and transported in bubble wrap and cushioned van to the memorial bench resting warehouse which is heated and ventilated. Each day the park dept white gloved employee spray on the pledge and give a light dusting? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316781 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:07:39 +0000 chdot 316781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-council-leader-demands-urgent-action-memorial-benches-discarded-during-christmas-market-construction-822582" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburghs-council-leader-demands-urgent-action-memorial-benches-discarded-during-christmas-market-construction-822582</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316776 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:54:48 +0000 chdot 316776@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don’t wish to inflame this. </p> <p>There’s risk, risk, probabilities, reasonable precautions, reasonable paranoia, and ‘if people don’t talk about things and they won’t happen’ denialism. </p> <p>In context -</p> <p>I was at a planning meeting on Monday for an event happening on November 5th which is “well advertised” and “attracts thousands of people”. </p> <p>Someone asked some ‘what if’ questions. The room went quiet. </p> <p>The event isn’t cancelled, there’ll be no concrete blocks or armed police. </p> <p>Lots of parking cones and parking restriction enforcement planned - to reduce the chaos caused by people who expect to drive everywhere and park anywhere. </p> <p>On the day of the Grenfell Tower report it’s worth reflecting on danger and randomness and vested interests. </p> <p>Life involves considering relativity and proportionality. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316774 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:34:24 +0000 jonty 316774@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If we're banning structures which can have crowds on or near them then we will have lots of space for cycle lanes very soon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316772 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:21:00 +0000 I were right about that saddle 316772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought @neddie made a perfectly valid (if slightly paranoid) criticism of inviting crowds of people to linger on an improvised platform. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=3#post-316769 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:08:25 +0000 Arellcat 316769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No. I am not sure why you brought it up as a subject at all. We are all concerned about the creeping monopoly of public spaces for private endeavour, and risk of terrorism was your first suggestion? The risk is not peculiar or limited to the way the Christmas market is built. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=2#post-316768 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:01:59 +0000 neddie 316768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The relevance is that a terrorist could easily plant a bomb under all the scaffolding that has been illegally built as a Chgristmas market, as mentioned in this same thread here: <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&amp;page=2#post-316458" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&amp;page=2#post-316458</a></p> <p>The scaffolding would allow such a bomb to be concealed underneath, much more so than would be the case than if the market had been built on the flat on a street. </p> <p>Or do people think Edinburgh is somehow immune from terrorism?</p> <p>Is that clear enough now? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=2#post-316765 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:39:07 +0000 Arellcat 316765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>With my mod hat on, neddie, I'm not sure of the relevance of your post. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=2#post-316764 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:35:27 +0000 neddie 316764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure what you mean by "what?" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18668&page=2#post-316760 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:51:52 +0000 condor2378 316760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>What would stop a terrorist planting some device under all the scaffolding?</p> <p>Could be easily hidden.</p> <p>Does not seem safe to me</blockquote></p> <p>I'm sorry. What? </p>