http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Port Hamilton development en Tue, 07 Apr 2026 21:17:06 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-293522 Sun, 14 Oct 2018 16:42:18 +0000 neddie 293522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Reminder:</p> <p>Comments &amp; objections to be submitted by <strong>17th Oct 2018</strong> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-293171 Tue, 09 Oct 2018 10:24:13 +0000 Frenchy 293171@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The cycle parking .pdf is not available - has it been withdrawn?</em> </p> <p>Working for me, if I go via the planning portal:</p> <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=dates&amp;keyVal=PEY7EQEWKSS00" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=dates&amp;keyVal=PEY7EQEWKSS00</a></p> <p>For reasons that probably make sense to someone, direct linking to the documents to themselves only works temporarily. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-293159 Tue, 09 Oct 2018 09:41:45 +0000 Tulyar 293159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The cycle parking .pdf is not available - has it been withdrawn?</p> <p>What a crap design. </p> <p>Correct that the NBR tunnels run practicallu parallel with West Approach Road, although I also suspect that Caley (Princes Street Station) used poor ground conditions as a good reason to provide lower levels for storage &amp; freight at Princes Street Station, whilst providing substantial foundations for the buildings above.</p> <p>One detail which might deliver an enhanced capacity for Waverley, might be to restore the Caley alignment through from Slateford, and use the under-used West Approach road footprint to take extra tracks which then drop to go under Lothian Road/Kings Stables Road to run alongside the existing tracks around the base of Castle Rock and a new bore through the Mound into the 'Sub' (Platforms 8-9 plus the through platforms 7, 10,11)</p> <p>The geology is not solid rock, although its wetness and weakness will require some care to work with </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-293145 Mon, 08 Oct 2018 20:46:16 +0000 neddie 293145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Comments &amp; objections to be submitted by <strong>17th Oct 2018</strong></p> <p>Planning ref: <strong>18/07354/FUL </strong> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292905 Fri, 05 Oct 2018 13:46:19 +0000 neddie 292905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thread:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edd1e_h/status/1048179437701873665" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edd1e_h/status/1048179437701873665</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292837 Fri, 05 Oct 2018 07:01:58 +0000 gembo 292837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie, excellent diagrams. Reminiscent of great cover of High Times where one arrow was pointed at Bob Marley and was entitled Bob and the other arrow was points at the massive lump of ganja in front of Bob and was entitled Herb </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292825 Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:55:22 +0000 neddie 292825@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And the "piece de la resistance":</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2aBXCPE"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1926/44382835844_fffdec9824.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2aBXCPE">narrow marked</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292823 Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:33:11 +0000 neddie 292823@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The other end (the "exit") isn't much better either. Again, the yellow line shows the route you are supposed to follow - through that line of gentlemen and a pillar!</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2aBW3Vu"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1938/44382526694_7dfc9c2e74.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2aBW3Vu">exit marked</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292822 Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:25:16 +0000 neddie 292822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The drawing below shows the proposed bike route. Note I've added the big blue arrow to correspond to the entrance to the bike route in the following picture</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/28Xi7Zh"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1977/43288937610_4df5339b2a.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/28Xi7Zh">bike route marked</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Here is the entrance marked with the same blue arrow. The yellow line shows the bike route you are supposed to follow. What could possibly go wrong?</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2bHzwBr"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/45102778231_f544aaf116.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/2bHzwBr">entrance marked</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-292820 Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:08:25 +0000 neddie 292820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A planning application for the new office development has been submitted: <strong>18/07354/FUL</strong></p> <p>Details can be found on the Council’s website at the following link:-</p> <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=dates&amp;keyVal=PEY7EQEWKSS00" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=dates&amp;keyVal=PEY7EQEWKSS00</a></p> <p>There are 45 documents. The ones you want from a cycling perspective are:</p> <p>The Design &amp; Access Statement, inconveniently split across about 12 pdfs, the most informative ones being:</p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/1FD928ECCA9AADE8458556D983F32C2B/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035036.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/1FD928ECCA9AADE8458556D983F32C2B/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035036.pdf</a> </p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/8F6E6B52B02D56D603C86E415A1C879A/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035037.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/8F6E6B52B02D56D603C86E415A1C879A/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035037.pdf</a></p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/19BB8AA33D8DB6228740BC488B986D29/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035031.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/19BB8AA33D8DB6228740BC488B986D29/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035031.pdf</a></p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/DC25EB0E7790DD4E993C9400ADF6C241/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035032.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/DC25EB0E7790DD4E993C9400ADF6C241/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035032.pdf</a></p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/0401DD4373863D67D08524D8B745BFC2/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035038.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/0401DD4373863D67D08524D8B745BFC2/pdf/18_07354_FUL-SUPPORTING_INFORMATION-4035038.pdf</a></p> <p>Floor plan level -1, which shows the underground bike parking - <strong>accessed by a spiral staircase, with a wheeling ramp</strong>!!! :</p> <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/BA2A47040303BC3DB0C48E0081BAD118/pdf/18_07354_FUL-08_-_FLOOR_PLAN_LEVEL_-1-4035052.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/BA2A47040303BC3DB0C48E0081BAD118/pdf/18_07354_FUL-08_-_FLOOR_PLAN_LEVEL_-1-4035052.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279419 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 12:47:07 +0000 neddie 279419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A wider bridge</em></p> <p>I think the bridge is reasonably wide at its base, but the sides angle in toward the path and there is a stainless steel railing at cyclists' eye-level height that narrows the practical width even further.</p> <p>Stupid architects' fancy stylised design versus actual practical use. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279412 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:49:43 +0000 PS 279412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Up that mad ramp with all the loose paving?</em></p> <p>That bit by the horse statue outside Anderson Strathern? Repaired last week.</p> <p>Busy to the extent that cyclists are sighted frequently. It's no cycling superhighway, but that's because it's no cycling superhighway. A wider bridge and a more sensible approach than the twisty-turny ramps would have made it more practical. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279410 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:42:36 +0000 I were right about that saddle 279410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Standard Life House I make it. Undermined. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279409 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:35:46 +0000 gembo 279409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@iwarts, thankee, the Haymarket to Wav tunnels right under Caledonian.</p> <p>@ps busy with cyclists? Up that mad ramp with all the loose paving? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279404 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:00:42 +0000 I were right about that saddle 279404@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo</p> <p><a href="http://maps.nls.uk/view/130075074">All this was once railways.</a> Lines and lines and lines and lines. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279399 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 10:50:57 +0000 PS 279399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Good that such access exists ev n if not much used.</em></p> <p>It is pretty heavily used. The stretch along Exchange Crescent and across the bridge to Rutland Square sees a lot of cycle traffic during the day. It's just a shame it was obviously designed solely for pedestrians, with folk on bikes being accommodated as an after thought. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279379 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:49:34 +0000 gembo 279379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Shame that is a nice cut through, though I have never used it? Gardeners Crescent to the west is ok but semple st to the the east is poor.</p> <p>When it gets to Morrison st you could then continue cycling through similar office developments to Lothian road or even Rutland sq?</p> <p>Good that such access exists ev n if not much used.</p> <p>What was in this area before all the developments? Was the Caledonian station an access to lower level trains as Rutland square seems to predated the railways?</p> <p>Did the WAR bulldoze a residential areas, like the M8 removed Cowcaddens as a place where people lived?</p> <p>There must have been a hill of some sort? As quite a bit of lower level carparks and tunnels etc? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279372 Tue, 03 Apr 2018 22:00:52 +0000 Stickman 279372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They sold the building a few years ago. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279370 Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:05:05 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 279370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Widows should be forced to allow the cycle route to be directed around the other side of the internal circle (ie the red dotted line above) for the duration of construction as a condition of planning. Presumably they are amongst those looking to profit from this? (unless they have already cashed in on the land?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18707#post-279338 Tue, 03 Apr 2018 13:10:25 +0000 neddie 279338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Montagu Evans are a proposing a development at Port Hamilton / Scottish Widows building. It's on the cycle-route cut-through between Morrison St and Fountainbridge.</p> <p>It’s not big enough to require a PAN but it does affect the pedestrian and cycle route where it goes up a gentle ramp from the street called Port Hamilton, to the pend under Scottish Widows; the path is currently bounded by a hedge.</p> <p>The plan is to build on this ramp, to fill a gap in and to complete the circle of buildings. But the building will overhang the ramp (or maybe be on stilts), so eventually on completion the cycle route will be maintained.</p> <p>The problem is that the ramp will be closed during the construction phase, for about a year.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/G859kp"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/890/26334294677_5e4acdfec1.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/G859kp">port hamilton 1</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/24qbZBr"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/40311503675_5009414b4c.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/24qbZBr">port hamilton 2</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/">Ed</a>, on Flickr </p>