http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: study finds cyclists face paranoia about drivers en Mon, 18 May 2026 01:44:23 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282425 Sat, 12 May 2018 13:17:40 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 282425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would say most are just bad drivers rather than hostile although there are a fair number that are both </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282424 Sat, 12 May 2018 13:01:51 +0000 gibbo 282424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even by guardian standards, this is a shockingly poor article. Rambling, contradictory, misunderstands data, fails to join the dots...</p> <p>Are drivers hostile towards cyclists?</p> <p>Some are, some aren't. But enough of them are (and it only takes one to kill you) that it's reasonable to see drivers as hostile to cyclists. </p> <p>There. It didn't take 770 words to sum that up, did it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282413 Fri, 11 May 2018 23:54:58 +0000 Snowy 282413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Manual choke, manually adjusted wing mirrors, and manual wind down side windows. </em></p> <p>It's not that long since I had a car with all of the above, and not in a 'classic' sense! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282395 Fri, 11 May 2018 20:26:09 +0000 sallyhinch 282395@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@unhurt - I think we're allowing a week to do one stage of that </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282389 Fri, 11 May 2018 17:57:19 +0000 crowriver 282389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Bring back non-synchromesh gearboxes and ignition advance/retard controls, that's what I say!</p> <p>And 50 horsepower should be enough for anyone."</p> <p>Manual choke, manually adjusted wing mirrors, and manual wind down side windows. Just to make life interesting, keep drivers "mindful" and get a bit of exercise winding window up and down to boot. Keeps the head clear. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282386 Fri, 11 May 2018 16:50:06 +0000 unhurt 282386@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wingpig I love the idea of you in an old-school style monocle narrating your ride aloud as you pedal.</p> <p>@Iwrats that route could be @sallyhinch's <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18686">next holiday</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282380 Fri, 11 May 2018 15:42:13 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282380@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1927_Tour_de_France#/media/File:Tour_de_France_1927.png">No air transfers that year.</a> Proper tour that were. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282378 Fri, 11 May 2018 15:37:13 +0000 dougal 282378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smoking <a href="http://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1920-tour-de-france-photograph.jpg">doesn't always slow people down</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282361 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:46:28 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>They should once again mandate smoking a pipe when driving</em></p> <p>And cycling. Calm everyone right down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282359 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:29:11 +0000 Ed1 282359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They should once again mandate smoking a pipe when driving </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282358 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:24:05 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282358@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Bring back non-synchromesh gearboxes and ignition advance/retard controls, that's what I say!</em></p> <p>And take out the seatbelts and airbags. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282357 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:16:06 +0000 neddie 282357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>driving is just too easy now</em></p> <p>Bring back non-synchromesh gearboxes and ignition advance/retard controls, that's what I say!</p> <p>And 50 horsepower should be enough for anyone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282356 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:13:41 +0000 wingpig 282356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Did they not do a study a while back, in Edinburgh I think, where they gave cyclists mikes to record thoughts? "</em></blockquote></p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14145" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14145</a></p> <p>I did a thing wearing a Google Monocle and verbally annotating my cycling from Inverleith Park/Carrington Road/Crewe Toll roundabout/Ferry Road then back down either Arboretum Road or East Fettes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282350 Fri, 11 May 2018 12:20:41 +0000 Arellcat 282350@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When you don't have to think about balance, or the cold, or bumps in the road, or muscle cramps, or even random undertaking/overtaking, or even shoulder checks, the typical motorist ought to have brainpower to spare for observations. But driving is just too easy now, and besides, nothing ever really happens anyway… What's the harm in not bothering to look beyond that gap? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282349 Fri, 11 May 2018 12:20:21 +0000 Arellcat 282349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cBemvVNYdk" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cBemvVNYdk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282348 Fri, 11 May 2018 12:14:52 +0000 Juanito 282348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did they not do a study a while back, in Edinburgh I think, where they gave cyclists mikes to record thoughts? </p> <p>I seem to remember it did showed that experienced cyclists would just calmly list through the potential dangers of the next section of road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282345 Fri, 11 May 2018 11:53:38 +0000 Snowy 282345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep - speaking about all the hazards you can see or anticipate is a very educational part of the advanced driving / roadcraft training.</p> <p>Funnily enough on most urban roads 30mph is too fast to be able to articulate them. To be able to identify and mention all the hazards, you initially find yourself slowing down ...to about 20! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282344 Fri, 11 May 2018 10:51:23 +0000 wingpig 282344@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"There is a great technique in Motorcycle Roadcraft of taking control of your inner monologue and making it a neutral list of perceived hazards and action plans should they become dangers"</em></blockquote></p> <p>This should be one of those "other people <em>don't</em> do this?" things, like washing your hands, shoulder-checking when lane-changing or turning off your phone in the cinema. At the very least everyone should be aware of what's around them, approaching them and what they can stop in time for, whatever their transport mode, but the existence of (for example) the passenger side's invisible brake pedal demonstrates that some people do not start slowing as soon as a potential hazard has been identified. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282343 Fri, 11 May 2018 10:38:48 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Isn't this what we all do all the time while cycling?</em></p> <p>I doubt that the inside of cyclists' heads are knowable....but I expect many folk have evolved versions of this technique.</p> <p>The police rider instruction is to actually say the words out loud until it becomes natural enough to become a silent monologue. The need to look for things to say sharpens you perceptions - see @Klaxon's lights and my favourite - the dashed white lines in the centre of the road getting closer together as you approach a hazard. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282342 Fri, 11 May 2018 10:22:49 +0000 Klaxon 282342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There is a great technique in Motorcycle Roadcraft of taking control of your inner monologue and making it a neutral list of perceived hazards and action plans should they become dangers</em></p> <p>Just as valuable when cycling</p> <p>It's equal portions evaluating what you can't see, just as much as what you can.</p> <p>It can be so small as mindfully noticing the street lights move all to one side. (<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.8989542,-3.2994268,3a,75y,254.29h,86.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2kryV4nrxECpj22usZIVUQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D2kryV4nrxECpj22usZIVUQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D346.881%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656">on a 2 lane road the lights are always on the outside of a bend</a>) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282340 Fri, 11 May 2018 10:15:28 +0000 sallyhinch 282340@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"There is a great technique in Motorcycle Roadcraft of taking control of your inner monologue and making it a neutral list of perceived hazards and action plans should they become dangers"</p> <p>Isn't this what we all do all the time while cycling? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282334 Fri, 11 May 2018 09:54:36 +0000 crowriver 282334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"People at the wheels of their automobiles are thinking about ..."</p> <p>That amazingly funny video they're watching on their mobile that someone shared..</p> <p>(THUD!)</p> <p>"Oh sh1t I think I just hit something/one. Better switch off the phone quick." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282332 Fri, 11 May 2018 09:39:34 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282332@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>People at the wheels of their automobiles are thinking about what to have for tea tonight or whether or not to proposition their colleague on Friday. </p> <p>There is a great technique in <a href="http://www.roadcraft.co.uk/motorcycle-roadcraft/">Motorcycle Roadcraft</a> of taking control of your inner monologue and making it a neutral list of perceived hazards and action plans should they become dangers, but frankly I can't see it catching on for walking-pace traffic on George IV Bridge. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282329 Fri, 11 May 2018 09:20:13 +0000 dougal 282329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't know which is the healthier alternative:</p> <p><ul><li>the belief that they're all out to get you</li><li>the belief that they don't care about you and your injury or death is just a result of them not caring</li></ul></p> <p>The outcome is the same, after all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282328 Fri, 11 May 2018 08:33:27 +0000 crowriver 282328@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18823#post-282325 Fri, 11 May 2018 07:36:53 +0000 wingpig 282325@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"They're out to get you: study finds cyclists face paranoia about drivers"</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2018/may/11/theyre-out-to-get-you-study-finds-cyclists-face-paranoia-about-drivers" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2018/may/11/theyre-out-to-get-you-study-finds-cyclists-face-paranoia-about-drivers</a> </p>