http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: COUNCIL NONSENSE ON NO BIKE RACKS FOR PROM en Tue, 19 May 2026 22:47:40 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282905 Sat, 19 May 2018 10:07:44 +0000 Stickman 282905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/cramond-cafe-owner-lashes-out-at-council-over-neglect-of-prom-1-4741750" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/cramond-cafe-owner-lashes-out-at-council-over-neglect-of-prom-1-4741750</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282898 Fri, 18 May 2018 19:18:54 +0000 HankChief 282898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/kevin_lang/status/997528877038751744?s=19">Success (by end of the year)</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282807 Thu, 17 May 2018 20:04:01 +0000 gembo 282807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Instead of as the red circle with the motorbike flying over the top of the car is too hard to understand..</p> <p>Signs on both sides of the road so now the taxis tourists and tramps that go down have no excuses </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282803 Thu, 17 May 2018 19:31:13 +0000 Frenchy 282803@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is that in addition to, or instead of, the No Motor Vehicles sign? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282801 Thu, 17 May 2018 18:51:11 +0000 gembo 282801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycle team have won the battle of new street. Signs now say no entry Except cycles </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282799 Thu, 17 May 2018 16:10:34 +0000 Frenchy 282799@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>They could be installed in noumenal form?</em></p> <p>If you just tie your bike to something using a slipknot, is that a numetal form bike rack? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282797 Thu, 17 May 2018 16:05:27 +0000 I were right about that saddle 282797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Do they perhaps come in a gaseous form?</em></p> <p>They could be installed in noumenal form? Only any use for locking noumenal bikes but you Kant have everything. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282796 Thu, 17 May 2018 16:03:03 +0000 gembo 282796@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The good thing is the cycle team are still up for this so I anticipate a way forward. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282795 Thu, 17 May 2018 16:02:01 +0000 Frenchy 282795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Those look solid to me, so they'd still hurt when someone ran into them.</p> <p>Do they perhaps come in a gaseous form? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282794 Thu, 17 May 2018 15:56:37 +0000 Arellcat 282794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would these be an acceptable solution meantime?</p> <p><a href="https://www.frontyardcompany.co.uk/products/plantlock" rel="nofollow">https://www.frontyardcompany.co.uk/products/plantlock</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282793 Thu, 17 May 2018 15:21:07 +0000 LaidBack 282793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Agree - is nonsense. Place was parked out a week ago when I went by with charity tricyclist. Actually quite hostile for cyclists as parked up all the way up towards roundabout.<br /> I actually spoke to council in presence of the owner Eddie 18 months ago to tell them that racks were required. Might be my fault ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282792 Thu, 17 May 2018 15:06:42 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 282792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's pretty sickening given CEC Parks installed outdoor exercise equipment in the same locus (and which I have never seen being used, incidentally) which has much more visual impact/sharp edges/cost than a few Sheffield stands. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-282791 Thu, 17 May 2018 14:53:38 +0000 Snowy 282791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Gibbo Nail on head, etc. That's fundamentally the cause of much of the difficulty getting CEC to facilitate cycling and active travel more broadly. "Normal people don't do it." Or if they do, it's because they are too incapable or too young or too poor to drive a car and SURELY would prefer to drive if only they could. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282782 Thu, 17 May 2018 13:00:00 +0000 gibbo 282782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Last time I was there I just parked my bike next to my table...."</em></p> <p>Here's the thing: the council doesn't regard cycling as transport.</p> <p>Normal families don't go to Cramond by bike. Normal families go by car. </p> <p>So there's a free car park and no bike parking.</p> <p>That's it. </p> <p>It's not oversight. It's not to protect short-sighted runners who might collide with stationary objects. And, at Silverknowes/Cramond it's obviously not because the prom is narrow. </p> <p>It's because, in the council's world, normal people don't cycle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282781 Thu, 17 May 2018 12:55:16 +0000 gibbo 282781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS</p> <p><em>I have run several thousand urban miles in my life without ever colliding with a bike rack. </em></p> <p>When I lived in Davidsons Mains, I often cycled along the prom from Cramond to (usually) West Shore Road.</p> <p>Each time, I'd have to negotiate my way round children running around, untrained dogs off the leash etc...</p> <p>Not once, did I hit them. Nor did I hit any stationary objects.</p> <p>And I was going faster than a runner...</p> <p>The whole thing is ridiculous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282767 Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10:14 +0000 Morningsider 282767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So the Council has money to install racks, there is plenty of space to do so at this location and the Council's policy is to "Continue programme of installing bike parking in response to requests." - page 24, Active Travel Action Plan. </p> <p>In addition, the Edinburgh Waterfront Promenade Design Code indicates that new street furniture should be added to the Cramond section of the promenade. It isn't made clear what this might be, but cycle racks are street furniture.</p> <p>So - what is going on here?</p> <p>Details:</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/7316/active_travel_action_plan_2016_refresh" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/7316/active_travel_action_plan_2016_refresh</a><br /> <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/2807/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_principles" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/2807/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_principles</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282761 Thu, 17 May 2018 10:25:01 +0000 Frenchy 282761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo - I believe they still have a budget for that, but the officer responsible moved departments and I don't think anyone has taken it up again yet. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282759 Thu, 17 May 2018 10:23:32 +0000 Frenchy 282759@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So I just checked the first page on the <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory/17/parks_and_gardens">list of parks in Edinburgh</a>.</p> <p>Only <em>four</em> out of twenty have bike racks on OSM. Admittedly, OSM is probably missing some, but I am amazed and appalled at how poor this is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282758 Thu, 17 May 2018 10:21:45 +0000 gembo 282758@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>THe cycling team were actively looking for places tpo put racks. Not sure if budget spent I will ask. Other parts of the authority are very resistant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282757 Thu, 17 May 2018 10:19:17 +0000 Trixie 282757@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm pleased for him that he both had a table and could leave his bike next to it. Now, back to the point in hand, why are there no bike racks in a park popular with cyclists, Mr Key? If Porty prom has space, that is not the issue. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282747 Thu, 17 May 2018 09:03:01 +0000 HankChief 282747@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't worry our Cycling supremo has responded on Twitter...</p> <p>"<a href="https://twitter.com/davidfkeySNP/status/997016880190812162?s=19">Last time I was there I just parked my bike next to my table....</a>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282746 Thu, 17 May 2018 08:56:38 +0000 crowriver 282746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure there used to be some Sheffield racks on the eastern part of the prom, by the picnic tables which are near the junction with the Silverknowes branch of the prom as it heads inland. At least that was the case 7 years ago (when I last used them). Can't recall if they're still there or not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282745 Thu, 17 May 2018 08:50:51 +0000 steveo 282745@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>there's a fence near the start that's okay.</em></p> <p>Ah cool. Cheers SRD. Think I'll try and start after the half next week. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282743 Thu, 17 May 2018 08:26:36 +0000 crowriver 282743@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Where is Reggie Tricker when we need him.?"</p> <p>Currently on holiday somewhere so I understand from the twitter feed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282733 Wed, 16 May 2018 21:47:12 +0000 SRD 282733@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i've ridden down for park run. there's a fence near the start that's okay. but nothing anywhere else. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282732 Wed, 16 May 2018 21:34:02 +0000 steveo 282732@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd been meaning to ride down for the park run on occasion but I didn't realise there was no bike parking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282720 Wed, 16 May 2018 19:30:32 +0000 gembo 282720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That tweet captures the issue in a nutshell. Where is Reggie Tricker when we need him.? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282715 Wed, 16 May 2018 18:50:42 +0000 HankChief 282715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Resurrected an old <a href="https://twitter.com/SRDorman/status/996807503538196481?s=19">tweet</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282702 Wed, 16 May 2018 17:31:59 +0000 Trixie 282702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is nonsensical that there are no bike racks down there. The council are ignoring the idea of bikes as transport to get there to then wander along the beach and do all the other things not-cyclists do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832#post-282700 Wed, 16 May 2018 17:10:20 +0000 Nelly 282700@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OK, so back on topic for a moment. Its not an area I frequent much, but I agree on the sentiment.</p> <p>I have been pushing QMile to put racks in sensible / covered places near my gym - but as a private entity they have just been blanking me.</p> <p>Presumably the council cant get away with that tactic - Is there anything we can do to influence, i.e. contact specific cycle friendly people on council?</p> <p>Maybe worth a small campaign. </p>