http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Today's Rubbish Parking Enforcement en Thu, 21 May 2026 07:10:09 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362614 Sat, 13 Aug 2022 12:57:05 +0000 Morningsider 362614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Transport (Scotland) Act 2019, which provides the legislative basis for the pavement parking "ban", received Royal Assent on 15 November 2019. That does not mean all its provisions automatically entered into force on that day. On 16 November 2019 just four of the 131 Sections of the Act came into force, as required by Section 130 of the Act. The other sections only come into force "on such day as the Scottish Ministers may by regulations appoint."</p> <p>Scottish Ministers have not brought Section 50, the pavement parking ban, into force. They have however brought the sections allowing local authorities to exempt streets from the ban into force.</p> <p>So local authorities can currently exempt streets from the pavement parking ban, even though the ban itself doesn't exist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362612 Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:23:02 +0000 ejstubbs 362612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The bill passed in to law in 2019 but AIUI that doesn't necessarily mean that it becomes law immediately. This thread <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17561</a> contained a fairly comprehensive discussion of the lead up to the passing of the Act, and the likely timetable for implementation or otherwise.</p> <p>I suspect that there is a strong likelihood that it will go the way of the pavement parking ban as laid down in section 7 of the 1974 Road Traffic Act, which basically died for lack of interest/money and which was quietly repealed in the 1991 Road Traffic Act (not in 1979 as one poster in the above linked thread suggested).</p> <p>You can read the depressing list of excuses and delaying tactics that eventually led to the repeal here:</p> <p><a href="https://pedestrianliberation.org/2011/08/07/the-sorry-tale-of-the-road-traffic-act-1974/" rel="nofollow">https://pedestrianliberation.org/2011/08/07/the-sorry-tale-of-the-road-traffic-act-1974/</a></p> <p>So we are <u>still</u> left with the ludicrous situation that it's illegal to <em>drive</em> on the footway, but temporarily <em>abandoning</em> your vehicle on the footway is legal. Which seems a bit like saying that it's illegal to <em>stab</em> someone, but not just to leave your knife sticking out of someone's back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362606 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:20:23 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 362606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It became law in October 2019 and it's a shocking state of affairs that it still isn't enforced. The twitter post is also an obstruction offence and the police will take action (eventually) if notified. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362581 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:30:56 +0000 chdot 362581@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/rebelraising/status/1557667433258930176" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/rebelraising/status/1557667433258930176</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362574 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:23:30 +0000 jonty 362574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No technically about it - the prohibition hasn't been activated yet. So still A-OK, if you can levitate there... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362573 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:10:54 +0000 wishicouldgofaster 362573@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've started taking a note of registration numbers of cars on pavements and then checking if the car is taxed or not. Tough luck on one pavement parker yesterday as no tax or MOT (ran out Jul last year) so DLVA and police informed.</p> <p>Technically it is now illegal to park on the pavement in Scotland but it's anyone's guess as to when it will be enforced if indeed ever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-362417 Mon, 08 Aug 2022 20:05:14 +0000 chdot 362417@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52272480368_e758d65856.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-347554 Tue, 02 Mar 2021 11:53:42 +0000 gembo 347554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>‘Sake Prof French hope you are not trying to say the Council isn’t waging a war on the motorist? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-347546 Tue, 02 Mar 2021 11:31:12 +0000 Frenchy 347546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/gavincorbett/status/1366688096981569537" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/gavincorbett/status/1366688096981569537</a></p> <p>Cllr Corbett noting that the council "writes off" 22% of parking fines. Over £1.6 million pounds last year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307624 Tue, 28 May 2019 12:52:33 +0000 Roibeard 307624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When I saw that this was a target for enforcement, I'd hoped it was the eastbound lane - eastbound I'm much more endangered by drivers moving into the bus lane to avoid the right-lane queue. Westbound, I just joined the queue of "buses", as we were all going to get through on the next phase of the lights.</p> <p>Indeed, there is a risk that I'm more endangered in the new arrangement, as drivers might now left hook me in their urge to avoid the camera! Granted, I've yet to have this risk realised, but I'm watchful for it...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307623 Tue, 28 May 2019 12:17:45 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 307623@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs <em>it's in exactly the right place to catch left-turning drivers who can't be bothered to wait for the left turn lane to start</em><br /> Yes - but considering how close the camera is to the junction (about 1/3 of the way from the bus stop to the lights), and how short that section of bus lane is, I can't help feeling it's not really worth it - as Frenchy says (I'm paraphrasing :)). And much as I hate to say it, it feels to me like it's been placed to catch people out, rather than deter people from abusing the bus lane.</p> <p>It'd be better placed on the A701 somewhere before the lights (whatever it's called then - Craigmillar Park?) IMO. I quite frequently see people driving a few hundred yards down the bus lane to get to the inside lane at the lights. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307620 Tue, 28 May 2019 11:58:49 +0000 Frenchy 307620@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's not one of the spots where I've found myself particularly wishing there was a bus lane camera (Ferniehill Drive and the foot of Liberton Brae are locations I've asked about before), but welcome nonetheless. Hopefully others are in the pipeline too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307619 Tue, 28 May 2019 11:45:51 +0000 ejstubbs 307619@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@EDinburghCycleCam: Au contraire, it's in <u>exactly</u> the right place to catch left-turning drivers who can't be bothered to wait for the left turn lane to start when there's a tailback at the lights. See also Burdiehouse Road northbound at Kaimes crossroads, and Gorgie Road westbound at Chesser Avenue.</p> <p>Whether it will <em>actually</em> help to improve the flow of traffic there I don't know, not being a regular user of that junction (and certainly not during the operational hours of the bus lane). I'd have thought that it can't hurt as measure to keep pushy left-turners away from cyclists in the bus lane (at peak times, anyway - which are the times when pushy/frustrated/selfish drivers are slightly more commonly to be encountered).</p> <p>What it might also do is make life easier for motor vehicle users wanting turn left legally, who find themselves blocked by drivers using the bus lane illegally - either queuing, or steaming down their inside at a wholly inappropriate rate of knots (because, of course, if you're using the bus lane illegally then you should make sure that you spend as little time as possible in it, which means that it's quite OK to drive at excessive speed in order to do so). Depending on the sequence of the lights, blocked left-turners can then end up impeding the flow of traffic wanting to go straight on, through no fault of their own. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307617 Tue, 28 May 2019 11:28:56 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 307617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/blog/newsblog/post/1502/new_bus_lane_cameras_operational_in_the_capital" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/blog/newsblog/post/1502/new_bus_lane_cameras_operational_in_the_capital</a></p> <p>Anyone know where the Leith one is? I'm guessing it's not covering the section of Leith Walk which is perpetually full of parked cars.</p> <p>The Liberton one only covers about 30m of the Southbound lane on Liberton Road, before it vanishes into a left turn lane for Gilmerton Road, which seems kinda pointless to me? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846&page=2#post-307496 Mon, 27 May 2019 09:19:43 +0000 threefromleith 307496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@LivD I remember those bins when I was a kid in Dalkeith in the 70s/early 80s.</p> <p>We used to climb inside them when they were empty (sans black bin bag) and pretend to be Daleks. They were kept beside our big concrete coal bunkers, with their sliding concrete lids - which we used to climb inside and pretend they were spaceships :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307456 Sun, 26 May 2019 12:00:16 +0000 Trixie 307456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We had those stupid bins in the 80s too. Utterly pointless. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307451 Sun, 26 May 2019 10:00:57 +0000 gembo 307451@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wilmington, the car parked at east end of the meadows, silver? There every day last week. At it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307447 Sun, 26 May 2019 08:14:04 +0000 LivM 307447@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was about the height of a wheelie bin but cylindrical made with 2" (ish) square mesh and had a heavy rubber lid like what you see on station bins that just have a plastic bag. No wheels. It just served to contain black bags while presenting them to the wildlife for buffet service. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307441 Sat, 25 May 2019 23:13:12 +0000 the canuck 307441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>wire cage? so, basically one of those brain development toys, but for wildlife? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307440 Sat, 25 May 2019 22:58:33 +0000 LivM 307440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A bit of thread drift but I remember the wire cage bins they tried to get my parents to use (St Andrews, 1980s) which they had no room to store at the front of the house and no side alley so it got used as a tool rack in the back garden. It was basically just a giant seagull feeder anyway so no idea why anyone thought it would be a suitable bin. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307439 Sat, 25 May 2019 22:53:19 +0000 the canuck 307439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"and dustmen carried your galvanised steel dustbin to the lorry on one shoulder and tipped the contents on to the festering pile in the back."</p> <p>my dad was a garbage man back in the day when it was done by hand, and at the time when they starting bringing in standarised bins and mechanical arms. the fuss people raised.<br /> my dad had to quit after an injury, which triggered a full body pain syndrome--he was off sick for months. but folks didn't like having to put garbage in a bin--they preferred to throw bags out to the kerb and force people to lift heavy things by hand... </p> <p>bah. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307340 Thu, 23 May 2019 13:29:38 +0000 crowriver 307340@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I remember when dustbin lorries looked more-or-less like this"</p> <p>Around the same time as waste disposal looked like this:</p> <p><img src="http://www.cleanriverstrust.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bankable/img_resize/timthumb.php?src=http://www.cleanriverstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/landfill.png&amp;h=600&amp;zc=1"></p> <p>Oh wait... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307335 Thu, 23 May 2019 12:17:39 +0000 ejstubbs 307335@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Regarding carts for rubbish collection, I remember when dustbin lorries looked more-or-less like this:</p> <p><a href="https://live.staticflickr.com/7187/6812215506_3a515fea26_b.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://live.staticflickr.com/7187/6812215506_3a515fea26_b.jpg</a></p> <p>and dustmen carried your galvanised steel dustbin to the lorry on one shoulder and tipped the contents on to the festering pile in the back.</p> <p>I'm sure that I remember my local council having smaller, hand-drawn versions of the same sort of thing, with electric motors that engaged when the tow handle was pulled down, for emptying the bins in the local parks. Went at about leisurely walking pace. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307333 Thu, 23 May 2019 12:05:04 +0000 ejstubbs 307333@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not today, but last Sunday at Anstruther. The harbour area is a popular spot for visitors, hence parking around Shore Street is fairly strictly controlled otherwise it would be an utter nightmare (and probably deter a good many of those money-bearing visitors from returning). But last Sunday <u>every</u> double yellow line* seemed to have a workie's van parked on it - most often with two wheels on the footway (because obviously that means it doesn't count, or something).</p> <p><em>* And yes, all were furnished with "At any time" signs.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307325 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:45:09 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 307325@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy, that's great! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307320 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:29:52 +0000 PS 307320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Emptying bins, a large cart will do the job, and any park will have an entrance point no further, generally, than 500 metres away from the furthest you'd have to go.</em></p> <p>If the Council was remotely joined-up and as committed as it says it is, it would have cargo bikes for this very purpose. Set an example. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307317 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:20:46 +0000 I were right about that saddle 307317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycling is surely <em>the</em> bona God's activity? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307315 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:17:47 +0000 Frenchy 307315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Maybe, but it's gonna be waaaaaaay down their list of priorities, so it'll just continue with impunity.</em></p> <p>Indeed. I've had success in getting them to deal with a frequent pavement parker, but it took several weeks of reporting them to 101 every few days.</p> <p>***Stop press***: <a href="https://twitter.com/EdinPolSE/status/1131257735331422208" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/EdinPolSE/status/1131257735331422208</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307312 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:06:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 307312@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I think it’s fair enough that the council should be allowed to bring council-liveried reasonable sized vans into parks for bona God’s activities like emptying bins &amp; maintenance."</p> <p>Have to agree to disagree. Always churns up the ground to the side of paths, and as it means not having to find somewhere to park they always stop for a break, and leave the engine running. In the Meadows they always seem to choose to drive through at evening rush hour.</p> <p>Large jobs, yep, you'll need to bring big machinery in. Emptying bins, a large cart will do the job, and any park will have an entrance point no further, generally, than 500 metres away from the furthest you'd have to go.</p> <p>Large vehicles should not be driven, and do not 'need' to be driven in 99% of cases, in parks (in my opinion). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18846#post-307311 Thu, 23 May 2019 10:03:39 +0000 neddie 307311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“bona God’s”. LOL </p>