http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: UK Govt Cycle Safety Consultation en Tue, 19 May 2026 20:27:48 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-289156 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:17:58 +0000 Rosie 289156@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Frenchy - thanks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-289155 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:13:18 +0000 Frenchy 289155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can't comment on the site as a whole, but they link to the government's published figures in that article, so those numbers are right at least. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-289152 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:52:09 +0000 Rosie 289152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does anyone know if this site is reliable?</p> <p>"In 2016, 18,477 cyclists were injured in road accidents, including 3,499 who were killed or seriously injured."</p> <p><a href="https://fullfact.org/health/cyclist-deaths/" rel="nofollow">https://fullfact.org/health/cyclist-deaths/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283875 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:36:01 +0000 neddie 283875@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still time to get it done... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283862 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:22:41 +0000 acsimpson 283862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps I should have added a request for better pedestrian priority at traffic light controlled junctions. Having to wait after pressing the button at a puffin/toucan crossing is normally a failed idea. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283860 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:11:54 +0000 wingpig 283860@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Turnips are not exclusive to cycling - some pedestrians barge along pavements with no thought for others - some act deliberately maliciously. Some drivers drive without thought and consideration, some deliberately drive offensively. The regrettable (but extremely rare) instances of cyclists injuring other cyclists or pedestrians are incomparably small compared to the damage wrought by motor vehicles on pedestrians and cyclists <u>and other motorists</u>."</p> <p>"Expand the driving theory and practical tests to include several notes on the motor vehicle's potential for causing fatalities - death rates for impacts at various speeds, perhaps an awareness of the huge difference in kinetic energy between unenclosed humans moving at walking, running or cycling speeds and &gt;1000kg vehicles moving at 15mph or more, a breakdown of the stopping distance increase if the reaction time is impaired by the use of electronic devices, but perhaps not the charge or persecution rates of careless or dangerous drivers, which are pathetically low." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283859 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:48:17 +0000 acsimpson 283859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have completed it using many of the points from above (Thanks).</p> <p>One change I made was to put presumed liability rather than strict.</p> <p>I would remove rule 61 from the highway code (cyclists should use cycle facilities).</p> <p>I also added vehicles reporting their location and being traceable in the event of a collision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283858 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:21:38 +0000 Ed1 283858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>After getting bicycle I dont walk much, may be cycling is a lazy way to walk-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283857 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:17:15 +0000 fimm 283857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been asked a similar question about walking in other surveys. I assume this is some kind of definition of "walking as transport". I don't walk for 20 minutes as transport very often because it is usually quicker to cycle!! (I'll walk for hours to get to the top of a hill but that's a whole different thing. I <em>run</em> for 20 minutes or more a lot, but that isn't transport either!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283846 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:42:01 +0000 chdot 283846@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'How frequently do you walk anywhere for 20 minutes without stopping?</p> <p>What a bizarre question, trying to weed out ramblers?</p> <p>Even people ‘going for a walk’ are likely to stop and look at things, or wait every few minutes to cross the road... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283814 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:27:56 +0000 wingpig 283814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Increased and enforced penalties for infractions by drivers of large vehicles which represent a greater danger to the public either through their size/mass/speed or number of passengers - including endorsements for the use of commentary microphones by the drivers of tour buses of all sizes, use of visual devices which are not dedicated satnavs in the driver's eyeline, use of printed/electronic checklists/dockets by delivery drivers when not stopped with the engine off etc." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283813 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:27:23 +0000 Frenchy 283813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The options for the 'How frequently do you walk anywhere for 20 minutes without stopping?' question are depressing:</em></p> <p>Does pausing for the dog to sniff every blade of grass it passes count as stopping? I might not be in the "at least once a week" category if it does... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283810 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:10:30 +0000 crowriver 283810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dunno if I can be bothered with Yet Another Consultation. What are the chances they'll listen to the responses over listening to frothing tabloid outrage at "dangerous cyclists"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283801 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:23:43 +0000 jdanielp 283801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The options for the 'How frequently do you walk anywhere for 20 minutes without stopping?' question are depressing:</p> <p><ul><li>At least once a week</li><li>At least once a year</li><li>Less often or never</li></ul> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283794 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:30:08 +0000 neddie 283794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some other good suggestions from others, above ^^</p> <p>One thing I wished I'd put into 5 (Vehicles &amp; Equipment) is:</p> <p><em>Mandatory driver attention and awareness trackers. i.e. a camera facing the driver that detects sleepiness, drunkeness, eyes-off-the-road-for-too-long (e.g. looking down to text), hands off the wheel, etc. In the event of detection, the car should automatically come to a stop.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283784 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:41:31 +0000 wingpig 283784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If PoP or Spokes have shared those, I haven't seen them, so posted on their FBs.</p> <p><blockquote><em>'"Cyclists" include the 6 year old riding to school...'</em></blockquote></p> <p>I'll try and include stuff like this when I rush through it this evening. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283779 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:14:51 +0000 paddyirish 283779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done, thanks @neddie. Some really good points there</p> <p>For 5 I put in blocking mobile phones in cars and also that touch screens are a major distraction and a safety hazard.</p> <p>For 6 I added</p> <p>Less of a them vs us mentality. </p> <p>Some sections of the press like to demonise "cyclists" and some of the language is downright offensive. This is then picked up and quoted as fact in taxis, offices and pubs around the country. Substitute Cyclists, for "Women" or "Muslims" and ask if they would get away with it.</p> <p>"Cyclists" include the 6 year old riding to school, the mum doing her shopping, the retiree out for a gentle ride, the commuter, the tourer who is exploring our country. It could be your Mum, child or grandparent. Is that what you mean?</p> <p>By definition, all cyclists who pay income tax pay road tax too, and most adult cyclists are drivers too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283778 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 09:02:43 +0000 fimm 283778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done. Thanks neddie, I took yours as a template and modified it a bit (added some of Frenchy's comments and some stuff of my own). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283775 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:06:34 +0000 Frenchy 283775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I did this quickly yesterday lunchtime. Suggested:</p> <p><ul><li>removing the "never more than two abreast, and single file on narrow or busy roads" bit of the Highway Code</li><li>Similarly the "make sure you wear hiviz" bit of the Highway Code.</li><li>Banning barriers on footpaths/cyclepaths which aren't passable by wheelchair/handcycle/mobility scooter/tandem etc.</li><br /> </ul></p> <p>Also a general moan about crap cycle lanes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283766 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:09:00 +0000 neddie 283766@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>6/6</p> <p><em>Attitudes &amp; public awareness:<br /> Counter "them versus us" (motorists versus cyclists) type press articles through Police engagement with Social Media - good examples are the West Midlands Road Policing Unit. Cyclists are also motorists &amp; vice-versa. Cyclists are a disparate group - there is no definition of a typical cyclist.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283765 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:07:21 +0000 neddie 283765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>5/6</p> <p><em>Vehicles &amp; Equipment:<br /> Mandate GPS controlled speed-limiters in all motor vehicles. Mandate "black box" (vehicle performance recording) in all motor vehicles. Mandate automatic emergency braking in all motor vehicles. Mandatory direct-vision HGV cab design. </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283764 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:06:27 +0000 neddie 283764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>4/6</p> <p><em>Education:<br /> Education doesn't work and is low down in the safety hierarchy</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283763 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:05:33 +0000 neddie 283763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>3/6</p> <p><em>Training:<br /> Mandatory for all HGV, bus &amp; coach drivers to attend cyclist awareness training on a regular basis e.g. every 2 years. Mandatory &amp; regular (e.g. every 10 years) competence testing for all drivers. All drivers, that are physically able to, must cycle on a busy main road as part of the driving test.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283762 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:04:09 +0000 neddie 283762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>2/6</p> <p><em>Laws &amp; rules:<br /> Mandate a minimum motor insurance excess of 2 months of salary. (Loss of 2 month's worth of salary would make people think twice about crashing and drive more carefully). Default urban speed limit to be 20mph. Default rural speed limit to be 40mph. 12 points on licence to be an actual ban (no hardship get-out clauses). Drivers who kill should face an automatic driving ban and automatic jail time and a hefty fine (no more £500 slaps on wrist). Introduce strict liability laws. Road safety to be treated the same way as the Health &amp; Safety at Work Act, including a proper safety hierarchy: Elimination, Substitution, Engineering, Admin control, Education, PPE. All crashes and near-misses to be investigated in detail and ways found to prevent re-occurrence (as they do for every other form of transport, planes, trains, ferries, etc.). Make hatred towards cyclists (or any other transport choice) a hate crime.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283761 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:02:40 +0000 neddie 283761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If anyone wants a template to crib, here's what I wrote:</p> <p>1/6</p> <p><em>Infrastructure:<br /> Build segregated cycle tracks on main and arterial roads. Provide cycle tracks that are convenient, direct and safe. Filter out through-traffic from residential &amp; suburban roads. Give cyclists and pedestrians priority where footways &amp; cycleways cross side-streets. Don't waste time on painted-on cycle lanes. Pedestrianise town &amp; city centres. Pursue a policy of motor traffic reduction. In cities &amp; towns, remove all on-street parking in favour of off-street parking. In cities &amp; towns, all parking should be paid-parking (no free parking). Copy what works abroad e.g. in the Netherlands &amp; Copenhagen - don't reinvent the wheel. Stop building new roads as these only increase traffic via induced-demand. Design roads so that it is physically impossible to exceed speed limits.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18870#post-283760 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:01:16 +0000 neddie 283760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>*URGENT*</p> <p>Closes tomorrow (Friday 1st June) at 11:45pm</strong></p> <p>The UK government consultation - Cycling and Walking Investment Strategy (CWIS) safety review.</p> <p><a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/cycling-and-walking-investment-strategy-cwis-safety-review" rel="nofollow">https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/cycling-and-walking-investment-strategy-cwis-safety-review</a></p> <p>This is the "cycling safety" review brought about by the Charlie Aliston case, but it actually a <strong>well written consultation with 6 free-text boxes for you to write what you like in</strong>. Strongly recommend to fill it out.</p> <p>Cycling UK have also created a "quick response" webpage: <a href="https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/making-it-safe-cycle-why-wouldnt-you" rel="nofollow">https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/making-it-safe-cycle-why-wouldnt-you</a> </p>