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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use? http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use? en Tue, 19 May 2026 11:59:34 +0000 CycleAlex on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-317600 Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:40:12 +0000 CycleAlex 317600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Another van blocking the cycle lane at McDonald Road while installing an ANPR camera. Interestingly it’s just overlooking the junction so doesn’t seem to be there for enforcement. I were right about that saddle on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-317597 Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:54:03 +0000 I were right about that saddle 317597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Jewson Timber stacking large sheets of chipboard in the cycle lane north of Macdonald Road. Totally blocked. Nothing malicious - they just won't have realised what it was. Most people ignore it anyway. wingpig on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-313114 Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:04:51 +0000 wingpig 313114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I saw one person in the section leading up to Greenside this morning. I've just been assuming they're either not open or still blocked by a sign somewhere or not worth attempting to use until the tourists have died down a bit. I were right about that saddle on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-313111 Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:57:59 +0000 I were right about that saddle 313111@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I can advise a 100% refusal rate so far for the Leith Walk 'cycle' lanes for morning cyclists emerging from the Picardy Place hellscape. If you can survive Leith Street why would you play Toytown Cycle Lanes on your way to work? McD on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284154 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:16:13 +0000 McD 284154@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ In the RSO's there are only 3 categories - carriageway, cycleway, footway. Cyclists are not allowed to cycle on the footway. There is no"shared space". Hence on Leith Street where the "segregated" cycle lane endeth at Greenside Road, the whole area is designated as cycleway - ie can be used by pedestrians and cyclists. This caused furore as pedestrian association assumed this meant that only cyclists could use it. I wasn't aware of any RSOs for Leith Walk - the first that I saw were the ones for Leith Street. I'm not sure whether they are required for changing pavement use or maybe just where the carriageway space is being changed. Ed1 on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284152 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:54:51 +0000 Ed1 284152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I have walked the bia-pass when motor broke year agos, I have walked worse roads. You also can not walk on airstrips, in peoples gardens natural boundary of property, On some MOD land, some industrial sites, many places, but still the best access in western world. Its gives me bad feeling in england where can barely walk anywhere.The majority of people appear to respect the cycle paths. Edinburgh Cycle Training on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284151 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:51:05 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 284151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'll wager that sign is at a road junction and designed/placed for the benefit / information of motorists. If I wanted to stroll along or over a motorway I doubt very much I'd join it at a slip road. mgj on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284146 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 17:06:39 +0000 mgj 284146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Another reason why the Leith Walk changes are as much use as a chocolate teapot. crowriver on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284112 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 12:30:03 +0000 crowriver 284112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "I'm going for a walk on the bypass. " Except I do believe that is illegal and there are signs indicating no pedestrians, no bicycles, no horse drawn vehicles nor animals. Take care with illegal strolling or driving of cattle on the bypass as it may invalidate your life insurance policy. If proof were needed: <img src="https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/f/fa/Slip-road_leading_to_A720_City_of_Edinburgh_Bypass%2C_Straiton_-_Geograph_-_3962887.jpg"> neddie on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284101 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:58:30 +0000 neddie 284101@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Alright. Alright chdot on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284098 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:29:49 +0000 chdot 284098@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Motorways, Bypass, WAR etc. I were right about that saddle on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284097 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:27:37 +0000 I were right about that saddle 284097@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Pedestrians can walk anywhere except motorways. I'm going for a walk on the bypass. My will is in the bottom drawer of the bureau. EdinburghCycleCam on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284096 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:22:01 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 284096@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "I think you are labouring unnecessarily over this." Oh, white possibly :) Yeah, the reason I asked @edinhelp about this in the first place is that it's confusing - even if it does ultimately make no difference... neddie on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284095 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:17:55 +0000 neddie 284095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @EdinburghCycleCam I think you are labouring unnecessarily over this. Pedestrians can walk anywhere except motorways. So it doesn't really matter what the cycle lanes on Leith Walk are designated as. The point is, that the demarcation betwixt cycleway & footway is crap (tactiles that are barely visible, and no demarcation at some of the junctions). It should instead have been an angled kerb, which would have helped to keep the peds off. Basically, infra should be designed so that it's intuitive for all parties to use - not the case here. EdinburghCycleCam on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284093 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:57:48 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 284093@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Reply from Gayle @edinhelp (via Direct Message on Twitter: ------------------- Morning, Just to let your know, I have heard back from the department dealing with this - "The cycle lanes on Leith Walk is a designated area for cyclists to ride within the greater footpath area. This is the only area on the footway where cyclists are permitted to use (other than the road) however it may also be used by pedestrians.Only the cycle lane is shared." Hope that this helps. Thanks, Gayle ------------------- Lovely. So if someone is walking in the cycle lane, and they don't move / refuse to move when you come along, you technically have to dismount, walk around them, then re-mount. I also wonder if anyone / any organisation keeps track of "dedicated cycle lanes", and needs to be updated that the cycle lanes on Leith Walk aren't dedicated cycle lanes at all, but are shared use? wingpig on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284089 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:42:22 +0000 wingpig 284089@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thankfully, that means no offence was being committed in the pre-PoP photocall on MMW. I were right about that saddle on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883&page=2#post-284087 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:38:40 +0000 I were right about that saddle 284087@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @gembo You are entering a world of pain. Klaxon on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284086 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:37:06 +0000 Klaxon 284086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I actually have vague recollection now of the bus stop bypasses being RSOed as shared use This seems like an unnecessary legal step as pedestrians may cross the area anyway, just as they can cross a road You don’t designate a pedestrian crossing area of a road in a redeterminaton order Frenchy on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284084 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:32:27 +0000 Frenchy 284084@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ So no need/legality for “cyclist dismount” signs on MMW then! Indeed. Council acknowledged this when the university asked if something more appropriate could be put up instead, but insisted that the dismount signs remain. chdot on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284082 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:18:04 +0000 chdot 284082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ So no need/legality for “cyclist dismount” signs on MMW then! Roibeard on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284081 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:12:39 +0000 Roibeard 284081@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @gembo - in my discussions with the Council over the MMW closure, they've said that the pedestrian side is not designated as solely a footpath, the full width is a core path (and a redetermination order hasn't been made to make it a footpath). So, yet again, the Meadows may be different! Robert EdinburghCycleCam on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284075 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:08:37 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 284075@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @crowriver - Yup: "And finally on pavements, remember that on segregated cycle tracks the pedestrian side remains a footway, so if you cycle into the pedestrian side to pass a pedestrian in the cycle lane you technically commit a pavement cycling offence" - I would assume the same applies on Leith Walk if the cycle track is shared use. gembo on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284060 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:56:04 +0000 gembo 284060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @crowriver. This has always been my understanding of the meadows lanes. Cyclists should stay in their lane and not go on the ped side but peds are allowed to stray over the line Smokey crowriver on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284059 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:51:30 +0000 crowriver 284059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "And finally on pavements, remember that on segregated cycle tracks the pedestrian side remains a footway, so if you cycle into the pedestrian side to pass a pedestrian in the cycle lane you technically commit a pavement cycling offence. There's an anomaly because cyclists have to ride on their side, but pedestrians are only advised to use theirs." <a href="https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/whats-legal-and-whats-not-your-bike" rel="nofollow">https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/whats-legal-and-whats-not-your-bike</a> I were right about that saddle on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284058 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:20:52 +0000 I were right about that saddle 284058@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ My browser is struggling to render Edinburgh Cycle Cam and Edinburgh Cycle Training in a way that I can reliably distinguish them due to the way the text wraps. The whole thing with the tracks being pavement really is wildly amusing and unforeseen etc. Frenchy on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284054 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:18:01 +0000 Frenchy 284054@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Added complication at the Meadows is that some of those paths are core paths, so you're allowed to cycle on the footway side too. Unless there are TROs saying otherwise, which might well be the case. EdinburghCycleCam on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284052 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:10:25 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 284052@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yeah, I'd imagine it's the same here. Though if the whole width of the pavement is shared use, it at least makes things all legal to cycle around pedestrians milling around in the cycle lane. It'll also be interesting to see if they intend to mark the whole path as shared use or not - surely there needs to be sings at the start and end, and at junctions to say it's shared used? Of course, since there's no signs saying it's a cycle lane other than the bike logo painted on the surface, it's all open to interpretation anyway... Edinburgh Cycle Training on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284051 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:10:04 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 284051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ This question then would be legal demarcation. Do the tactiles count? I wish I knew more about this stuff! crowriver on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284050 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:58:27 +0000 crowriver 284050@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Pretty sure the law is the same when applied to the Leith Walk cycleways. Pedestrians may enter the sections designated for bicycles but bicycles may not enter the rest of the footway. EdinburghCycleCam on "Leith Walk cycle lanes are shared use?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18883#post-284049 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:52:16 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 284049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The law is that if it's a space which is split between pedestrians and cycles (like the meadows) rather than shared use, then the non-cycle part is considered a footway, so cycling on it is the same as cycling on the pavement. I've no idea how that applies if it's shared use, however.