http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “New housing estates fail people by favouring cars, says study” en Sun, 31 May 2026 14:03:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288267 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:43:58 +0000 ARobComp 288267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I enjoy looking* into the windows of Kinleith Mill development as I cycle by. I wave cheerily at the residents where possible. </p> <p>*never blink </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288258 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 18:54:58 +0000 gembo 288258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, local horsey folk and runners on this forum even object to Tarmac. Plus would need many barriers to stop vehicles powered by petrol. However, I remain hopeful that ultitrec is the answer.</p> <p>Access unchanged so how fire brigade would get in if entrance blocked I don't know, traffic lights let a few cars through at a time.</p> <p>They did alter the course of the river a little and put in a new bridge. Local planning vigilante Archie C would have stopped this if it was possible to stop it. Big brickish houses rammed together, small gardens but handy for access to WoL path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288249 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 17:09:04 +0000 Cyclingmollie 288249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>dougal: <em>You know the crossings don't have dropped kerbs but the driveways do? At that point you wonder what the pavements are for at all. </em></p> <p>Yes, last winter many people cleared the snow to get their cars out their driveways and heaped it up onto their uncleared pavements. </p> <p>I did hear that the police like "cauliflower" housing developments (from their resemblance to a califlower floret on maps) because they can cut off thieves and joy riders at the only access point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288247 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 16:54:27 +0000 crowriver 288247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The massive Cala development on the Kinleith Mill site at Currie is for people who like sitting in their cars in very slow moving traffic. "</p> <p>It seems a sizeable number of folk do indeed "like" doing this. Isn't that what car stereos, climate control and smartphones were invented for? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288241 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 16:32:17 +0000 chdot 288241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“The massive Cala development on the Kinleith Mill site at Currie”</p> <p>Classic example of developers playing the long game and waiting for guidelines to change or objectors to give up or(?)</p> <p>For years it was ‘exit from site not suitable for vehicles (especially at main road junction)’.</p> <p>“Though at least one of the 500 or so adults living down there has figured out he is quicker getting on to the WoL path that runs by his house and cycling in.”</p> <p>I presume local objections to tarmaccing the WoL path are still strong? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288237 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 14:55:54 +0000 gembo 288237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The massive Cala development on the Kinleith Mill site at Currie is for people who like sitting in their cars in very slow moving traffic. Though at least one of the 500 or so adults living down there has figured out he is quicker getting on to the WoL path that runs by his house and cycling in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288222 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:03:23 +0000 crowriver 288222@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Snowy, I mean I suppose someone needs to point these things out. However it will hardly be news to the developers, their business plans are based on selling new houses with a garage and a driveway, enabling two cars to be parked, and their sites are chosen for proximity to the road network. The whole selling point is how convenient it is to drive to/from these places, folk who buy houses in these places see it as a positive and would complain if the roads were "too narrow" or there was "not enough" parking...</p> <p>So the headline would be more accurate if it said these estates cater for people who favour driving their cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288206 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 23:07:32 +0000 Snowy 288206@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver Yep, from the school of the blindingly obvious... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288192 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:45:36 +0000 crowriver 288192@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Next there will be a study demonstrating that bears avail themselves of wooded areas when they require sanitary facilities. Closely followed by a rebuttal from West Lothian council saying that they are prioritising modern ursine sanitation in their planning guidance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288163 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:14:01 +0000 neddie 288163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I posed a number of questions about cycling and was told no-one ever asks for these things</em></p> <p>That is because your average Jo(e) doesn't realise the benefits of having good design for walking &amp; cycling, even if they never cycle themselves.</p> <p>It's like saying, "No one swimming in the river ever asked for a bridge" [because there isn't anyone swimming to ask] </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288127 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:19:17 +0000 Frenchy 288127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>You know the crossings don't have dropped kerbs but the driveways do? At that point you wonder what the pavements are for at all. </em></p> <p>Incomprehensible, isn't it? Only about half of the access points to the Burdiehouse Burn path have dropped kerbs.</p> <p>I pointed this out to the council at least a year ago, and the Active Travel team have (independently) identified it as an issue. It should get fixed sometime, but I don't want to guess when... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288124 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:54:15 +0000 Lezzles 288124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At a recent consultation on new houses being built outside my village I posed a number of questions about cycling and was told no-one ever asks for these things so they don't bother offering them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288121 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:37:23 +0000 LaidBack 288121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I used NCN1 and couldn't get through first barrier easily at Dalmeny Cala estate.<br /> So faced with another bunch of barriers I just used the access road for driveways. Was much faster.<br /> The route for cars was easy and encouraging. The bike route the complete opposite. Only for people with a high tolerance of stop start cycling and as noted the crossing points make conflict on a busy path. Meanwhile the roads are unused much of the time.<br /> They should automatically put in level crossing with ramp up for cars with markings. That's if they really wanted to promote cycling and walking.<br /> 'Duff scheme thread'.<br /> <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11145&amp;page=5" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11145&amp;page=5</a><br /> Appreciate that people here have engaged with developers to do their best.</p> <p><em>Same article was in Sunday Herald but good to link Ferret!</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288120 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:23:34 +0000 dougal 288120@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We took my nephew in his wheelchair around Burdiehouse Burn which is near where he lives. Ended up in The Murrays housing estate.</p> <p>You know the <em>crossings</em> don't have dropped kerbs but the <em>driveways</em> do? At that point you wonder what the pavements are for at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288119 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:21:30 +0000 neddie 288119@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a good thread here about the car-centric "cauliflower" schemes like Croy:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/CalumCook91/status/1023885897224409089" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CalumCook91/status/1023885897224409089</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19024#post-288114 Wed, 01 Aug 2018 08:13:34 +0000 chdot 288114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://theferret.scot/housing-estates-walkers-cars" rel="nofollow">https://theferret.scot/housing-estates-walkers-cars</a> </p>