http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Permeable infrastructure - yes please en Tue, 19 May 2026 01:04:01 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-372930 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 20:32:39 +0000 chdot 372930@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good bit of research </p> <p>Slightly surprised ppl still asking </p> <p>None since 2029, Covid benefit? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-372928 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:53:52 +0000 Arellcat 372928@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was originally going to post this in the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1115&amp;page=245">Severe weather warning</a> thread where the posts below originated, but it maybe makes more sense here, or possibly in the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20600">News on LTNs?</a> thread.</p> <p>From a month ago:</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1115&amp;page=245#post-372059">@ejstubbs:</a> <em>If by the Dreghorn Link roundabout you mean the modal filter at the top of Oxgangs Farm Drive then I think I remember that going in while I've been here, which would have been since 1998 when I first moved to Edinburgh</em></p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1115&amp;page=245#post-372061">Me:</a> <em>Oxgangs Farm Drive was stopped up in the early 1990s I think, no later, but maybe earlier.</em></p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1115&amp;page=245#post-372066">@Morningsider:</a> <em>I remember during the late 1980's that LRT route 17 ran up Oxgangs Farm Drive, turning left at the top to reach it's terminus on Redford Road. </em></p> <p>Well, I took the time (last month!) to ask CEC about it and they've just responded. Oxgangs Farm Drive was stopped up in September 1993 (the TRO was approved in June that year). CEC no longer has the records of the rationale for the TRO, but importantly, they also said that since 2019 they have received no requests – none, zero – for re-opening it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-296592 Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:35:03 +0000 Colonies_Chris 296592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i went that way just a couple of hours ago but didn’t notice a new drop kerb. I'll look out for it next time. The new arrangement at the top of Wemyss Place seems to be finished but is blocked by traffic cones for no apparent reason. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-296544 Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:31:11 +0000 PS 296544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good news - a drop kerb cut-through has been installed at the top of Forres Street, just at the left hand edge of the box junction as you drop down from North Charlotte Street. </p> <p>Pedestrian-permitting, this will allow cyclists to head straight on at the junction, down to Moray Place and thence to Heriot Row, avoiding having to run the Albyn Place/Queen Street gauntlet for the 150m stretch to the top of Wemyss Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292147 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:54:04 +0000 chdot 292147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is permeable the right word?</p> <p>I know it’s the <em>correct</em> word, but opaque to most people?</p> <p>Any suggestions?</p> <p>‘Bollards to free movement of motor vehicles’ is perhaps too long... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292146 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:40:32 +0000 acsimpson 292146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not clear why Weymss Place, Great Stuart Street and Glenfinlass Street were all made fully permeable while Forress was pedestrian only. Weymss is definitely the best of the 4 though.</p> <p>Charlotte Square came later but is also permeable at it's north-eastern corner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292143 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:12:14 +0000 acsimpson 292143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Castle Street has a dropped kerb but as far as I know it wouldn't be legal to cycle over the princes street pavement. Although perhaps as you would be accessing land on the other side where it is permissible to ride would make it OK. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292133 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:36:47 +0000 PS 292133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Local pressure I believe - to discourage cycling across pavement.</em></p> <p>So I understand, but presumably there never used to be a pavement there? I suppose it's better than a chicane, but...</p> <p><em>The Forres St kerb makes Salisbury Crags look like a dropped kerb does it not? </em></p> <p>I understand it's going to feature in Danny MacAskill's next video. ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292130 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:25:42 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 292130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lynedoch Place</p> <p>High Riggs</p> <p>Craiglockhart Rd Nth (this one the council actually remade as permeable after sealing it off with railings before) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292128 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:59:37 +0000 chdot 292128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“they screwed that up by sticking a high kerb”</p> <p>Local pressure I believe - to discourage cycling across pavement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292127 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:59:35 +0000 Harts Cyclery 292127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Forres St kerb makes Salisbury Crags look like a dropped kerb does it not? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292126 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:56:24 +0000 PS 292126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Castle Street is a bit of an example and there is also a few on the roads south of Moray Place. </em></p> <p>Castle Street is a dropped kerb, isn't it? So I guess it counts. </p> <p>I'd exclude Forres Street as it has a kerb and I wouldn't fancy either stopping to lift the bike or getting a kerb-hop wrong on Queen Street.</p> <p>I'd also exclude East Scotland Street Lane/Scotland Street as they screwed that up by sticking a high kerb in a few years ago, which is infuriating on a designated quiet route. You can ride it, but it's sketchy, especially from the Scotland Street side - I've seen a few folk come a cropper on the high kerb so have always lifted when going that way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292092 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:16:38 +0000 SRD 292092@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>they also have lots of on street bike storage here:</p> <p>"We have installed Cyclehoop cycle hangars on a number of streets to accommodate demand for secure residential cycle parking. They are half the length of a parking bay and can store up to six bicycles.</p> <p>The cycle hangars can be rented for £60 per space, with a £25 deposit. Hackney subsidise the rental cost by 50%, so you pay £30 per year." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292087 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:15:56 +0000 acsimpson 292087@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't know how it was used before but I would guess that Dechmont road hasn't always been a cul-de-sac.</p> <p>Castle Street is a bit of an example and there is also a few on the roads south of Moray Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292064 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 14:57:29 +0000 Arellcat 292064@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oxgangs Farm Drive was, for years and years, not so much a rat run as a de facto main road between Oxgangs Road North and Redford Road. We used to use it all the time when I were young <strike>and all this were fields</strike>.</p> <p>It's been <a href="https://goo.gl/maps/4JEvfzxBNW32">bollarded off</a> for many years, though some enterprising (or careless) drivists took potshots at the bollards occasionally and sent them all skewiff. They seem to have stood the test of time since then though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292031 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:40:36 +0000 Harts Cyclery 292031@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Best example in my lifetime of somewhere that was transformed by the installation of a simple gate was where I grew up in Braehead.</p> <p>Traffic used to bypass the then Barnton Roundabout, by turning right off Whitehouse Road into Braehead Grove, then right onto Braehead Drive, then left onto Braehead Avenue and join the Queensferry Road 100 yds or so east of the new Cramond Brig.</p> <p>You wouldn't believe the insane amount of traffic that came through the streets at rush hour. Indeed, it was known by the kids as busy time and many weren't allowed on certain streets between 4-6 (prime post-school play time!!). The traffic invariably sped along the residential streets only to join a queue at the bottom of Braehead Avenue.</p> <p>After years of pestering, the Council finally installed a simple gate at the bottom of Braehead Avenue. Rat-running traffic dropped immediately to zero. A key was given to houses on the North side of Queensferry Road so that they didn't have to turn right into their drive ways across the Queeensferry Road. However, despite them asking for this facility, none of them use it. They all just turn right across Queensferry Road. That's just the life you choose when you buy a house on Queensferry Road!</p> <p>Such a good example if anyone wants one to quote to Councillors! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292028 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:08:33 +0000 Rob 292028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I used to live in Craigentinny. The area between Craigentinny Avenue, Wakefield Avenue and Moira Terrace seemed perfect for converting to cul-de-sacs and crescents. At busy times those streets become rat runs for people avoiding the queue at the end of Wakefield Avenue but they don't add any extra capacity to the overall system since the bottleneck is further on at the junction with Sir Harry Lauder Road.</p> <p>I contacted councillors about the idea and mostly got generic "I've passed this to my travel person" responses. The best response was essentially "I'd love to but then everyone would want it". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292021 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:28:06 +0000 PS 292021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's Cornwallis Place/Summer Bank at the east side of the New Town and Moray Place/Great Stuart Street, Glenfinlas Street/St Colme Street and the south end of Wemyss Place at the west side. Most of these are effective and useful. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292019 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:17:37 +0000 newtoit 292019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ellen's Glen Road is an effective example. Much better now that they've put permanent bollards in rather than a concrete block that was moved across every other week by otherwise law abiding motorists.</p> <p>More like that would be very handy.</p> <p>Aren't there a few in the New Town/Broughton, around Gayfield square etc? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-292003 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:20:56 +0000 stiltskin 292003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Craigleith Hill Avenue is surely an example of this. I'm assuming it was originally a normal junction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291998 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:52:02 +0000 acsimpson 291998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@winpig. The bulk of East Craigs is highly permiable on foot or bike. Yet cars can only access it via Maybury Drive.</p> <p>Although it was built this way rather than being a later change. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291994 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:36:38 +0000 chdot 291994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually planters are probably cheaper!</p> <p>Certainly quicker and allow for experimentation/fine tuning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291993 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:32:44 +0000 SRD 291993@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot I just want boring old bollards. planters are extra. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291989 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:52:05 +0000 PS 291989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ideal for the New Town too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291982 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:45:56 +0000 chdot 291982@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingEdin/status/1043787035532820480" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingEdin/status/1043787035532820480</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291980 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:37:59 +0000 wingpig 291980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is there anywhere up here which has more than one in any area apart from the wee culs-des-sacs behind Porty High Street? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291979 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:34:26 +0000 Stickman 291979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/daisynmurphy/status/1043501742388850688" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/daisynmurphy/status/1043501742388850688</a></p> <p>"Today we met some incredible, passionate people who have enabled true transformation. When political leadership, positive activism and LA expertise come together, magic happens! Thanks to Claire, Clyde, @deekinstowPaul &amp; Chris for an inspiring tour of Walthamstow #MiniHolland"</p> <p>Yet. Another. Study. Tour. </p> <p>Will it lead to anything other than a consultation? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291974 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 17:40:17 +0000 neddie 291974@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Totally agree SRD. </p> <p>Would love to have something like this (e.g. mini-Holland) for the Marchmont / Grange / Blackford areas </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19139#post-291941 Sun, 23 Sep 2018 08:19:17 +0000 SRD 291941@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been riding through some of Hackney's - somewhat controversial - permeable infrastructure (like this junction <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5411198,-0.0816921,3a,75y,298.66h,87.8t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXO_z-b6ErFOlU_g40YdcMA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXO_z-b6ErFOlU_g40YdcMA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D309.02216%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en-GB&amp;authuser=0">here</a> and <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5411474,-0.0817239,34m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-GB&amp;authuser=0">this</a> ) of late and wondering if we'll ever see anything like this in Edinburgh. </p> <p>I'm not suggesting it as an alternative to decent protected cycle lanes along arterial roads. But in addition, in more residential areas. Something like this would be ideal in some of the south Edinburgh neighbourhoods between on either side of Newington/Mayfield for example. </p> <p>While we do have some examples in Edinburgh, which work well, they tend to be isolated. These have been put in in a planned, wholesale fashion, across a neighbourhood. </p>