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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: 63 times more likely to be KSI (?) http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: 63 times more likely to be KSI (?) en Sun, 31 May 2026 13:26:00 +0000 chdot on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296648 Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:31:48 +0000 chdot 296648@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ From a Road Safety ‘insider’ - “Re the query about contributory factors and the factsheet, I checked with Transport Scotland and these factors relate only to the road user within each category listed, i.e. the factsheet doesn’t give the factors for other road users in the cyclist table. The previous title used in the earlier factsheet (“Top contributory factors assigned to cyclists involved in injury accidents”) might have been clearer than the current title. I have also checked using the MAST data tool from Road Safety Analysis which gives more data on contributory factors assigned to both cyclists and motor vehicles. In the latest 3 years it had available (2014-6), “Failed to look properly” was the top contributory factor for both cyclists and drivers/riders of motor vehicles involved in a collision with a pedal cyclist in Scotland. For the motorists this was recorded 1470 times and for cyclists 252 times. Other factors (for motorists in collisions with cyclists) recorded more than 250 times were “Failed to judge other person's path or speed” (531), “Poor turn or manoeuvre” (343), “Too close to cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian” (331), and “Careless, reckless or in a hurry” (326). Note that up to 6 factors can be recorded per accident, so more than one of these might refer to the same motorist, and the total number of motorists assigned any contributory factor cannot be found from these figures.” wee folding bike on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296314 Fri, 23 Nov 2018 17:15:53 +0000 wee folding bike 296314@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ And the Vatican has a high crime rate per head of population. acsimpson on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296199 Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:07:32 +0000 acsimpson 296199@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ parachuting is alarmingly dangerous if you measure it by horizontal miles travelled. I were right about that saddle on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296082 Tue, 20 Nov 2018 08:57:37 +0000 I were right about that saddle 296082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Only fair that free-fall parachuting and base jumping should be incorporated into the pedestrian figures. Anyone? gkgk on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296081 Tue, 20 Nov 2018 04:00:13 +0000 gkgk 296081@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/743303/ras20005.ods">Here</a> is the govt excel table of 2017 UK KSI per billion miles by road type by vehicle type. Main bits of interest for me: KSI per billion miles by road type (car occupants vs cyclists): A-roads = 104 vs 2770 (27x higher) Other roads = 149 vs 916 (6x higher) Urban non-A roads = 163 vs 874 (5x higher) All roads (apples/pears alert!) = 104 vs 1245 (12x higher) A-roads look really bad but cyclist may take 6 mins (vs 1 min) for a mile giving KSI per billion A-road minutes of 104 vs 461 (4.6x higher). Comforting for by-the-hour recreational cycling. According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety">wikipedia air safety page</a>, cycling is only 50% more deadly than flying, by journey (UK, 1990-2000), which is interesting. crowriver on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296077 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:29:33 +0000 crowriver 296077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "I don't see why you would lump cyclists and motorcyclists together." Because four wheels good, two wheels bad. Obvs. Morningsider on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296076 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 23:09:48 +0000 Morningsider 296076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ These figures are based on the DfT annual casualty rates per billion miles travelled analysis. The 2017 figures show 30.9 cyclist fatalities per billion miles, 1.9 car fatalities per billion miles and 116.9 motorcyclist fatalities per billion miles. You are (technically) more likely to die as a pedestrian than a cyclist, with a fatality rate of 35.6 per billion miles walked. Serious injury rates for cyclists are less than one third that of motorcyclists (30.9 against 116.9 per billion miles). All still horrific, but I don't see why you would lump cyclists and motorcyclists together. <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/744077/reported-road-casualties-annual-report-2017.pdf"> DfT figures</a> (page 8) <a href="http://www.roadsafetyweek.org.uk/new/652-new-figures-show-those-on-two-wheels-are-63-times-more-likely-to-be-killed-or-seriously-injured-than-car-drivers">Brake press release</a>. EDIT - updated 2016 figures to 2017, missed the new release. neddie on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296075 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:57:43 +0000 neddie 296075@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ See also Brake infographics: <a href="https://twitter.com/Brakecharity/status/1064527512540205058" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/Brakecharity/status/1064527512540205058</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Brakecharity/status/1064431876780290048" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/Brakecharity/status/1064431876780290048</a> Arellcat on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296074 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:22:02 +0000 Arellcat 296074@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ My own <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7391#post-76675">danger KPI</a>, that reckoned (2007 figures) on 0.9 for car and bus passengers, 12.4 for cyclists, 12.6 for pedestrians, and 40.2 for motorbikers. The multiplier would therefore be 13.8 for cyclists and 44.7 for motorbikers. Not as high as 63, but I haven't looked at the latest stats. sallyhinch on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296071 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 22:10:15 +0000 sallyhinch 296071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's probably the effect of lumping motorbikes and pedal cycles together. neddie on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296069 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:47:37 +0000 neddie 296069@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Brake “road safety” charity (sponsored by Ford) peddling this nonsense to make cycling sound dangerous neddie on "63 times more likely to be KSI (?)" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19288#post-296068 Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:38:08 +0000 neddie 296068@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Times article, claiming motorcyclists & cyclists are 63 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured than motorists. Is this for real? Is this per km travelled? Or a more meaningful, per hour travelled? <a href="https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/we-re-careful-say-drivers-who-speed-and-jump-traffic-lights-6795blqnv" rel="nofollow">https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/we-re-careful-say-drivers-who-speed-and-jump-traffic-lights-6795blqnv</a>