http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Poor quality childrens' bikes on sale en Wed, 01 Jul 2026 14:23:45 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298083 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 18:59:16 +0000 gembo 298083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD nice one on the Bertie Wooster. I never have understood why a dyed in the wool old socialist Jeremy Corbyn I sta like myself could be so drawn to the Jeeves and Wooster stories of Plum. It is I think inexplicable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298047 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:15:39 +0000 crowriver 298047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chrisfl, pity they didn't test a Carradice or similar saddlebag. That would have been truly "old school". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298046 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 14:13:04 +0000 crowriver 298046@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Graeme Obree to Bertie Wooster with an umbrella?"</p> <p>Graeme Obree yes for über aero. </p> <p>Possibly, for maximum drag coefficient, a pantomime dame like Widow Twankey, dressed in a huge sail-like dress with hoop skirt, toting a lace fringed parasol? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298042 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:16:59 +0000 Arellcat 298042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>drag can be measured empirically.</em></p> <p>Quite a considerable drag factor, there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298040 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:16:11 +0000 SRD 298040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So if certain organisations use a spectrum of 'barbie' to 'gi joe' to illustrate gender fluidity, what's the equivalent for aero? </p> <p>Graeme Obree to Bertie Wooster with an umbrella? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298038 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 12:39:58 +0000 chrisfl 298038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lets not ignore the aero-ness of various carrying option when commuting.</p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdfB5fbVHck" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdfB5fbVHck</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298030 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 11:05:45 +0000 crowriver 298030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo, yeah I suppose as good postmodernists we need to acknowledge that aero-ness is on a spectrum and is fluid: it might change depending on context and the disposition of the 'reader'. Also that the concept of aero is socially constructed: there may be inherited characteristics such as a long back, short legs (or vice versa); lung capacity, angle of forehead, etc. that might indicate some degree of pre-determination. However ultimately environmental factors, coupled with individual choices within a multitude of potentials, are likely the biggest influences on how a particular person articulates their aero-ness. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298019 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:52:10 +0000 I were right about that saddle 298019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>aero/non-aero thing of which IWRATS was speaking?</em></p> <p>Well, again that's a complex one because <a href="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/89/72/c9897255239cd4783d5e8c779cb22496.jpg">drag can be measured empirically</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=5#post-298015 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 08:12:14 +0000 gembo 298015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver like man the choice here is also like totally non-binary, well I have short legs and a long back so Can adopt a mean tuck position so long as the descent is not very windy with minimal blind exit/entrances for farmers or golfers. So descent to Whiteadder Reservoir from top o redstone rig or shorter but Hincty West Binny Hill near Uphall. </p> <p>However on the lecky bike I am like totally upright Dutch person in a tweed suit big smile vigilant etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298012 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:56:34 +0000 crowriver 298012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whoa! This thread suddenly exploded into a veritable culture war.</p> <p>Speaking of which, what about that aero/non-aero thing of which IWRATS was speaking?</p> <p>(Personally I self-identify as non-aero). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298010 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:11:30 +0000 chdot 298010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-gender-gap-report-2018" rel="nofollow">https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-global-gender-gap-report-2018</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298009 Wed, 19 Dec 2018 01:04:56 +0000 Baldcyclist 298009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"corporate"</p> <p>Surprisingly not, I've never worked in the private sector. Despite being (comparatively) well off, I've never sought it, it just kind of found me. I've always sought responsibility, never money, and as such public service has always seemed more appropriate to me than private enterprise. I can't see myself ever being allured by the extra £20k a private sector salary would bring.</p> <p>I'll not preach on that to the hive, everyone needs to make a living as best they can within their conscience. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298003 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:06:00 +0000 minus six 298003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I don't spend much time there now, mostly as a result of being found</em></p> <p>ah, but you haven't been found</p> <p>corporate twitter colonies find pseudonyms untrustworthy as they can't control it, and they remain desperate to control and shape narrative</p> <p>yet your workplace identity is no more 'real' than your cycle forum identity</p> <p>as the mullah said... "<a href="http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/tenniel/alice/12.3.html">you're nothing but of pack of cards</a>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298002 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 22:59:35 +0000 Baldcyclist 298002@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"you aren't big on twitter. you don't have a clearly defined corporate profile. that's all there is to it"</p> <p>Lol, Twitter has never been about work for me, hence the psudenum, and non descriptive profile. Unfortunately they found me none the less. I don't spend much time there now, mostly as a result of being found. It's a shame, I used to quite like Twitter, people there helped me stop smoking, and weirdly have been more supportive at times of adversity in my life than actual real life friends. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-298000 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:50:58 +0000 minus six 298000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@baldcyclist</p> <p><em>The truth is, when people put in that sacrifice they succeed regardless of circumstance</em></p> <p>nah, we don't live in a meritocracy</p> <p>i expect your bosses spend a lot of time grooming each other on twitter, round the clock, seven days a week </p> <p>you aren't big on twitter. you don't have a clearly defined corporate profile. that's all there is to it </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297996 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:23:01 +0000 gembo 297996@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@rosie, yeah 1869 and like @ baldycyclist's, man , two genders, boy and girl THT is one massive prehistoric binary troll. Gender, it is like fluid man in the 21st century. Like totally non-binary </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297995 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 21:20:31 +0000 acsimpson 297995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"In the 1940s manufacturers settled on pink for girls and blue for boys"</em></p> <p>So the reasons are pretty much the same as the reasons that bike are given such poor treatment on our roads. The Capitalists decided it and pushed it so effectively that the consumers just rolled over and accepted it.</p> <p>From a purely practical point of view I would like to buy my son clothes which both he and his younger sister would be happy wearing. However the shops don't seem to offer very much in that way. It's possible that it wouldn't sell but it is also in companies financial interest to stop it selling.</p> <p>I'm pleased to say that the clothes of his which she chooses to wear are mostly the ones with bikes on them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297994 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:54:35 +0000 wingpig 297994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"Re male/female dominance in certain sectors, it has been said that men like things, and women like people. I don't know if that goes any way to explain it."</em></blockquote></p> <p>It may have been <em>said</em>, but by no means universally agreed or accepted.</p> <p>One of my goals is to go 24 hours without being oppressed by the feeling that we will never truly be rid of the mistaken attitudes and behaviours of the past. Yet to be achieved. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297993 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:50:23 +0000 Trixie 297993@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It's ok if you have no examples to share, I want to get a sense of the struggles that people experience."</p> <p>Choosing not to share one's personal business in an open forum online is not quite the same as having no examples to share.</p> <p>And with that I'm out cos i really don't believe you're not trolling at this point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297992 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:29:04 +0000 Baldcyclist 297992@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not demanding anything. I've been quite open with my experiences - whether or not people agree with them, or choose to deride them. It's ok if you have no examples to share, I want to get a sense of the struggles that people experience.</p> <p>Re male/female dominance in certain sectors, it has been said that men like things, and women like people. I don't know if that goes any way to explain it.</p> <p>The other question is to what extent we mandate 50/50 in everything, or just agree that everyone agrees everybody should have equal opportunity.</p> <p>Do we mandate, 50% male nurses, if so do we mandate for religion, colour or anything else? How do we ensure total equity? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297991 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:17:27 +0000 SRD 297991@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It's never about more male nurses, or female plumbers., hence the focus on leadership" </p> <p>Ummm. you must be reading different things to me. Male staff at nurseries and primary school (not just the HT or PE) is a particular concern. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297990 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:12:04 +0000 unhurt 297990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Trixie I KNOW! It's sort of textbook. I might link to this thread as a useful example in future.</p> <p>I especially love the demand that I share my personal experiences (so that he can dismiss them). Let me think about that for a--- nope. (It's not like there's reams of information / studies / discussion about this available via <a href="https://www.google.com/">the internet</a>. No, I must "help him understand" - a strange request from someone who believes in the supremacy of personal effort). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297989 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 19:01:14 +0000 Trixie 297989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In which someone mansplains that gender inequality isn't a thing cos they've not experienced it.</p> <p>Really?! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297988 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:27:16 +0000 Baldcyclist 297988@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OK then, help me understand, what oppression have you faced, how have you been stopped from achieving your goals in life? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297987 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:18:35 +0000 unhurt 297987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I don't believe half of the population is being oppressed because of their gender, sorry.</em></p> <p>Oh, well then. If Baldcylist doesn't believe it it can't be true. </p> <p>Time to pack it in ladies - there's no workplace inequality to see here. All a dream. A weirdly economically and socially effective dream, to be sure, widely studied and with a rather extensive evidence base, but nothing that can't be resolved by the firm conviction of someone not affected by it that it doesn't exist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297986 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:12:19 +0000 Baldcyclist 297986@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The call for equality is usually always about the perceived glass ceiling. It's never about more male nurses, or female plumbers., hence the focus on leadership</p> <p>I believe everyone should do what they wish to do, and that they have the opportunity to do so. The world owes us nothing, we owe ourselves and our loved ones everything. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297983 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:53:41 +0000 fimm 297983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oppression might be a little wider than whether someone gets promotion at work or not... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297982 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:40:13 +0000 Baldcyclist 297982@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"On the topic of this thread, I'm glad I don't work at baldcyclists' place of work..."</p> <p>Don't worry, I'm not going to dive back in (I might not be able to help it ;)), other than to say my work has done more than most places to try and promote gender neutrality. I mentioned before my line manager, department head, and director are all female. Also tech industry, and a lot of female leaders throughout the org...</p> <p>They all work incredibly hard, stay at work to ridiculous times, and email each other throughout the night. As do senior male colleagues.</p> <p>I had one female colleague who on finishing the aurora leadership programme was disappointed it was expected that you would sacrifice your free time in order to become a leader. She, although capable, has decided that's not for her, as did I for similar reasons.</p> <p>I don't dispute anyones right to pursue leadership roles in their chosen career path, and wish them the best, I simply contend the reason for (able) people not becoming leaders is less about gender, and more about willingness to sacrifice time. I don't believe half of the population is being oppressed because of their gender, sorry. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297981 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:24:23 +0000 Rosie 297981@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Boy and girl. Aren't they beauties?" said the proud papa, beaming upon the little, red squirmers as if they were unfledged angels.</p> <p>"Most remarkable children I ever saw. Which is which?" and Laurie bent like a well-sweep to examine the prodigies.</p> <p>"Amy put a blue ribbon on the boy and a pink on the girl, French fashion, so you can always tell. Besides, one has blue eyes and one brown. Kiss them, Uncle Teddy," said wicked Jo.</p> <p>Good Wives, Louise M Alcott, published 1869 </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19339&page=4#post-297980 Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:14:15 +0000 fimm 297980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@sallyhinch <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14892&amp;page=70">this one</a> has got to 70 pages and still is, unfortunately...<br /> Sorry. </p> <p>On the topic of this thread, I'm glad I don't work at baldcyclists' place of work...</p> <p>Some of us rebel against our gender norms in different ways depending on who we are and what is expected of us. The reason I have GCSE physics and not GCSE biology is that I kept hearing reports on how bad it was that girls were not studying physics, so I went "all right, I'll not do biology" (I didn't want to do both). And yet in some ways I'm quite "feminine" in that some of the time I'm nicly turned out, I wear skirts and jewellry - but on the other hand I'm happy to do something because I want to do it and I don't care how many other women are doing it. </p>