http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: I am becoming increasing disenchanted with Sustrans en Sun, 31 May 2026 12:45:41 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-309722 Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:38:47 +0000 Frenchy 309722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the very early stages of planning an adventure, and I was reminded of <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@56.0749622,-3.4183389,3a,15y,57.7h,89.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9MavDVS2kSg_NuYZON9nQQ!2e0!5s20090501T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e3">this.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299914 Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:37:23 +0000 chdot 299914@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/backonmybike/status/1088020603758628864?s=21" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/backonmybike/status/1088020603758628864?s=21</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299464 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:12:09 +0000 Cyclingmollie 299464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>unhurt: "everything <strike>is</strike> can be reduced to the political" FTFY </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299453 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:15:56 +0000 I were right about that saddle 299453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree - CCE is a great place for friendly challenge from smart people. Certainly changed my mind on a couple of things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299441 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:13:48 +0000 Roibeard 299441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Partly because some people have actually changed their minds - even about “about helmets or vehicular cycling”</em></p> <p>I've even changed the way I vote! Not entirely to do with CCE, but definitely a contributing factor...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299438 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 13:03:31 +0000 Harts Cyclery 299438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wouldn't be too downheartened. The paradigm has shifted massively in terms of the quality of projects they design and support. They still need government and local government to take the lead, don't forget. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=3#post-299433 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:28:05 +0000 chdot 299433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“cycling forums get narky with one another about helmets”</p> <p>HAS happened here. </p> <p>Then someone started THE helmet thread and people just play nice. </p> <p>CCE has developed to be (mostly) consensual. </p> <p>Partly because <em>some</em> people have actually changed their minds - even about “about helmets or vehicular cycling”.</p> <p>Some people have given up posting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299431 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:21:22 +0000 chdot 299431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“CCE gets riled up by public art projects”</p> <p>“Riled up”</p> <p>Take that back AT ONCE.</p> <p>‘We’ have genteel discussions... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299429 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:06:52 +0000 Rosie 299429@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Money and lack of imagination or political anxieties gives you a lot of public art which is a boulder with a plaque. I really would prefer the Wallace Braveheart (with the Andy Murray gob) to that. I can see people becoming fond of it over the years. It's not bland, anyway.</p> <p>The one I find very moving is the Scottish American WWI relief in Princes Street Gardens.</p> <p><a href="https://canmore.org.uk/site/116463/edinburgh-west-princes-street-gardens-scottish-american-war-memorial" rel="nofollow">https://canmore.org.uk/site/116463/edinburgh-west-princes-street-gardens-scottish-american-war-memorial</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299427 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:47:18 +0000 gembo 299427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>elitist us?</p> <p>pelf rollock yurt dweeb </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299425 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:39:42 +0000 unhurt 299425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Expecting politicians (of any stripe) not to be photographed in front of well known / "iconic" structures / places seems hopeful. Unless we institute a "plain neutral coloured walls as backdrop only" policy - <em>everything</em> is political, after all. (Even - well, these days, perhaps <em>especially </em>- walls.)</p> <p>Meanwhile I have been enjoying the way that other (lesser?) cycling forums get narky with one another about helmets or vehicular cycling, but CCE gets riled up by public art projects. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299414 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:34:14 +0000 Arellcat 299414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I would pay to see a massive steel Andy Wightman installed as the third Kelpie.</em></p> <p>Third Kelpie already been done.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/njvbFA"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/13992883240_2576f7b1d2.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/njvbFA">Kelpies</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/fromagier/">Bill Kennedy</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299413 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:20:04 +0000 chdot 299413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also on NC7, ‘early’ Andy Goldsworthy -</p> <p><a href="https://www.sustrans.org.uk/news/volunteers-restore-goldsworthy-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.sustrans.org.uk/news/volunteers-restore-goldsworthy-art</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299412 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:12:08 +0000 wingpig 299412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I forgot - there are some scrap metal sheep on the NCN 7 around Stanley. Also a couple of large figured made from old electrical transformers a bit further towards Consett and then a few random sculpture things in Consett itself. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299411 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 10:04:27 +0000 I were right about that saddle 299411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Or replace the giant landmark with a ginormous Scottish Green MSP, for balance.</em></p> <p>I would pay to see a massive steel Andy Wightman installed as the third Kelpie. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299398 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 21:39:27 +0000 chdot 299398@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6194/6142278720_09b4544ee9_z.jpg"></p> <p>One I did earlier (2011).</p> <p><a href="http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/the-fifer-who-was-robinson-crusoe-1-153256/amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/the-fifer-who-was-robinson-crusoe-1-153256/amp</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299397 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 21:35:14 +0000 gembo 299397@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a nice wee statue of Alexander Selkirk in lower largo. Quite like the William Wallace one up the town in Stirling </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299396 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 21:33:22 +0000 gembo 299396@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a nice see sculpture of Alexander Selkirk in lower largo. Quite like the William Wallace one up the town in Stirling </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299393 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:41:47 +0000 wingpig 299393@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps we should photoshop any future SNP-in-front-of-landmark photos we see so that they're standing in front of enormous versions of the DC Thomson character statues in Dundee (or make the SNP representatives all Pontypine-sized and photoshop them into a picture of the Dundee figures). Or replace the giant landmark with a ginormous Scottish Green MSP, for balance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299383 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:12:40 +0000 Cyclingmollie 299383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>turn the Wallace Monument into a sort of water feature clock by having it spurt milk from its tip with the chiming of every hour, except with loudspeakered gasps of "Freedom!" in Mel Gibson's voice</em></p> <p>That's far too metaphorical. People want literal. That's why Musselburgh's latest piece is a giant mussel shell. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299382 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:12:35 +0000 chdot 299382@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The statue was deeply unpopular, being described as "among the most loathed pieces of public art in Scotland" </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wallace_Monument" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wallace_Monument</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299380 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:50:14 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 299380@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Holy cow, that 'Freeeeedooooom' statue is atrocious. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299372 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:55:39 +0000 I were right about that saddle 299372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace_Statue,_Aberdeen#/media/File:William_Wallace_Statue_,_Aberdeen.jpg">Best Wallace statue is this one.</a> Really quite sensitive for a Victorian bronze. Had quite a strong influence on me as a child. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299371 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:46:28 +0000 cb 299371@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Scotland already has a fine William Wallace statue of course:</p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Wallace_Statue.JPG" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Wallace_Statue.JPG</a></p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace_Statue,_Bemersyde">This one</a> might be a little better. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299370 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:41:18 +0000 acsimpson 299370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have realised that I may have under-budgeted and If allowed would like to bid for extra to fund the bike-b-que. A cargo bike with grill on the front and pedal powered fridge on the back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299368 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:29:01 +0000 Rosie 299368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver - in that context no more than the Forth Bridges, which were the background for the 56/59 SNP MPs photos. They mean "identifiable place in Scotland, plus very dramatic." Different if it was a statue of Wallace or Bruce.</p> <p>"Forth Crossing - the finest man-made structure in Scotland - discuss."</p> <p><em>It's the sheer scale though, and the mythologising aspect to them, that I find unsettling.</em></p> <p>Imagine if they had been of Alex Salmond (shudder)! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299365 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:55:12 +0000 Arellcat 299365@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Untitled IV shall be an installation inspired by the dichotomy between one's willingness to embrace open spaces and public infrastructure and the thought processes that result in despoilment through litter, taking in this case an assortment of glass bottles, metal cans, plastic bags and excrement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299361 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:26:25 +0000 paulmilne 299361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good intelligent/accessible public art = art that I like.</p> <p>Rubbish public art appealing to plebs/snobs only = art I don't like. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299360 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:20:04 +0000 steveo 299360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Untitled III would actually be a useful tool in helping with engagement, especially if it was hosted at commuting time on a sunny afternoon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19395&page=2#post-299359 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:03:04 +0000 I were right about that saddle 299359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Untitled III, acsimpson, 2019. Beer, warm meat, industrial cider, charcoal, dogs, sweat. On loan from the artist. </p>