http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Craigiehall Development - 1200 houses en Thu, 21 May 2026 11:11:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-308806 Sat, 15 Jun 2019 13:14:25 +0000 HankChief 308806@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From Councillor Lang</p> <p><em>"GOOD NEWS! - 1,200 HOME PLAN FOR CRAIGIEHALL WITHDRAWN<br /> We are pleased to say the planning application to build an astonishing 1,200 new homes on the Craigiehall fields (to the west of Barnton) have been withdrawn by the developer.</p> <p>The plans were twice the size of the recent controversial Cammo development. Unlike Cammo, this application had been recommended for refusal by Council planning officers.</p> <p>As councillors, we have been limited in what we could say on the plan until now. This was because the proposal would have come to the full Council for a final decision. </p> <p>However, with the plans now withdrawn, we can be open and say we would have strongly opposed the application. It would have been wholly inappropriate to build such a massive new development on greenbelt land. It would have added even further to the traffic chaos we see on the A90 and Barnton junction.</p> <p>It is bad enough that SNP and Conservative councillors have forced through the Cammo plan. This proposal at Craigiehall would have been even worse.</p> <p>We are delighted it has now been withdrawn.</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299625 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:37:31 +0000 Morningsider 299625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No matter how you dress this up, this is a low density suburban development. Distances to employment, education and services, and poor quality of cycling and walking infrastructure outside the site, are such that walking and cycling will only appeal the the young, fit and assertive. It is all so disappointing.</p> <p>Now <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauban,_Freiburg">this is how you redevelop a former barracks</a> on the edge of a city. Vauban is an internationally recognised example of good practice in creating a new city district - the guys that designed Craigehall will almost certainly know about it. Yet what do we get - another lot of identikit boxes, locking in unsustainable travel patterns for decades to come. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299624 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 20:22:00 +0000 stiltskin 299624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm. Firstly the airport is getting a lot busier &amp; whilst the Easterly Runway is only used 30% of the time, unless you have a haar, then it tends to be nice weather when people will be in their gardens etc. It also the case that the prevailing South Westerly will blow the engine noise up the hill in the direction of Craigiehall. I rather expect service families have to be a bit more tolerant than people paying mortgages. I certainly wouldn’t fancy living there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299622 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:01:56 +0000 Harts Cyclery 299622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Could potentially be ok for AT with existing NCN1 link and, as mentioned above, link over Grotto Brig to Cammo and then on to any new Cammo/Maybury development path to Edinburgh Gateway.</p> <p>Re the airport, it's not that bad. There have been married quarters there for years, so plenty of folk have always lived there. I don't think anyone will be shocked that they are going to hear aeroplanes. Easterly departures will be noisy, but they are not terribly common, given the prevailing wind (and the fact that in very light winds/still air, 24 will still be the preferred runway).</p> <p>Park and ride is interesting. Could service Kirkliston and Dalmeny in a way that the Ingliston and Inverkeithing one won't. Hopefully CCT will ensure that driving into town will soon be seen as a very odd thing to do... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299554 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 09:39:19 +0000 Frenchy 299554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@HC - I think your logic is sound. </p> <p>I assume that turnover in Park and Rides is very low (as in, very few of the 600 spaces will be used by more than one car in a day). Presumably figures from other P&amp;Rs are available to the council. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299543 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:41:27 +0000 HankChief 299543@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How would you make the site work for active travel?</p> <p>Yes you can go through the underpass and get onto the NCN1 but thats about it.</p> <p>You'd need to build a proper link from the Grotto bridge up to Cammo, so you could get to Edinburgh Gateway / Gyle.</p> <p>Big question for me is which secondary school would they go to? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299541 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:28:09 +0000 minus six 299541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/796B4F647A9AD466DC1D9FA9FE59E8A8/pdf/18_10545_PPP-02__INDICATIVE_MASTERPLAN-4132654.pdf">park and ride right next to the temp burnshot bridge</a></p> <p>not too good for my commute on the existing slip down to cramond </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299539 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:26:17 +0000 HankChief 299539@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are some interesting transport studies in the transport assessment, where they have counted traffic entering/leaving large culdesacs in Cramond &amp; Kirliston.</p> <p>Cramond had 0.923 exits per house from 7am to 10am (10% of which we by bike) and 0.375 arrivals.</p> <p>The afternoon (3-7pm) saw 1.085 arrivals and 0.749 departures.</p> <p>Surprisingly Kirkliston has slightly lower morning traffic and similar afternoon traffic (although weighted more towards arrivals).</p> <p>Not sure exactly if my logic holds but if a house generates 3 journeys a day (1.2 AM and 1.8 PM) and a significant proportion of those would be heading towards Edinburgh (they say c.50%), then how can a P&amp;R (2 journeys a day) with 600 spaces offset 1200 houses worth of trip generation?</p> <p>I *think* they will say that neither culdesacs monitored have a school on site so journeys will be much less, but still feels like squiffy logic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299538 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:19:45 +0000 Snowy 299538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh jeepers, that really is right underneath.</p> <p>Viewings may mysteriously be unavailable when there is an east wind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299537 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:12:25 +0000 stiltskin 299537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>... except that after departure the a/c turn left 20 degress to avoid Cramond. Bet the estate agents won’t mention that to prospective buyers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299535 Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:05:55 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 299535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>North bank of the Almond would be ideal for a shared use path (if shared use is ideal anywhere) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299534 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:57:58 +0000 HankChief 299534@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the plans, they aren't putting any houses directly under the flight path - just to the side will be much better... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299527 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:43:06 +0000 stiltskin 299527@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How nice to live right next to the Runway </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19401#post-299519 Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:20:41 +0000 HankChief 299519@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not entirely unexpected, but here is the plans for 1,200 houses on the army barracks site at Craigiehall (submit views by 24th Feb)</p> <p>They are going to install a 600 space Park &amp; Ride so allegedly it will result in fewer cars going through Barnton junction!</p> <p>Need to figure out how it will affect Burnshot Bridge &amp; Road...</p> <p><a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&amp;keyVal=PK8EOAEWFXN00" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&amp;keyVal=PK8EOAEWFXN00</a> </p>