http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Campaign Against Long Cars (CALC) - and wide en Sat, 30 May 2026 00:33:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383468 Sun, 15 Mar 2026 11:08:12 +0000 gembo 383468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have seen a couple and good to have this info. THey sponsor an AUstralian Cyling team i think? Jaecoo Alula</p> <p>All SUV’s by their nature of being too big for the streets are badly driven - they take up a lane and a half, they cant get between parked cars, they are very selfish cars. I cannot understand why their owners buy them given global warming, Iran War oil prices etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383464 Sat, 14 Mar 2026 23:45:44 +0000 acsimpson 383464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I haven't noticed many but my anecdata suggests they are also badly driven. I was aggressively overtaken by a driver using one one on Maybury road while I was driving in a line of cars all doing the sort limit. To achieve this the driver used the central reservation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383460 Sat, 14 Mar 2026 11:25:45 +0000 ejstubbs 383460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Neddie: <em>We actually need to ban them outright - especially the ones with high/sharp bonnet profiles, that are more likely to throw a child under the wheels, and/or blunt trauma to the torso/head instead of the legs.</em></p> <p>I'm seeing more and more Jaecoo cars around, I assume because they're cheap* Chinese imports. Every single one of their <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaecoo#Current_models">current models</a> is an SUV, and they all have a 'battering ram' front end. They give the impression of having been deliberately designed to look aggressive. They certainly give me the willies every time I see one.</p> <p>Bull bars were banned several years ago but these designs seem to have something much worse, as you described: shockingly poor visibility of anything below the excessively high and flat bonnet, and no consideration given to the severity of outcome of an impact to anyone not encased in another steel box. I'm surprised that they manage to comply with <a href="https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:035:0001:0031:EN:PDF">Regulation 78/2009/EC</a> - and if they do, then maybe the regulation needs revising (again). I can't but think that they would score poorly in the <a href="https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings-explained/vulnerable-road-user-vru-protection/">Euro NCAP ratings for vulnerable road user protection</a> as well (though those aren't mandatory).</p> <p><em>* Even though the electric ones don't qualify for the <a href="https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-vehicle-grants/cars">government's plug-in vehicle discounts</a>.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383459 Fri, 13 Mar 2026 18:45:58 +0000 chdot 383459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/13/sadiq-khan-may-give-up-armoured-car-clampdown-suvs-london" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/13/sadiq-khan-may-give-up-armoured-car-clampdown-suvs-london</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383453 Fri, 13 Mar 2026 13:48:34 +0000 neddie 383453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We shouldn't simply enable rich people to have the exclusive preserve of SUVs</p> <p>We actually need to ban them outright - especially the ones with high/sharp bonnet profiles, that are more likely to throw a child under the wheels, and/or blunt trauma to the torso/head instead of the legs </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-383448 Fri, 13 Mar 2026 10:29:59 +0000 chdot 383448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/13/suv-drivers-could-face-extra-charges-for-driving-in-london" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/13/suv-drivers-could-face-extra-charges-for-driving-in-london</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=3#post-382561 Thu, 25 Dec 2025 10:55:49 +0000 gembo 382561@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You are Fair Game if you step onto a Zebra Crossing in London.also merry xmas </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-382559 Wed, 24 Dec 2025 19:28:36 +0000 chdot 382559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The challenge, she says, is getting to them. The large parks near her home are “extremely dangerous” to access, with a lack of pedestrian crossings and vehicles that speed through without looking. An increase in car width of 2cm a year due to the SUV boom – “absolutely mind-boggling” – adds to the risk that people face when they walk or bike.</p> <p>“It should not be like this in a civilised country like the UK,” says de Nazelle, adding that her husband hates to see her or their children get on their bikes. “I have cycled all my life and will cycle no matter what. But now that I have children, I am acutely aware of the hazards and dangers.”</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2025/dec/24/four-experts-on-europe-most-livable-capitals" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2025/dec/24/four-experts-on-europe-most-livable-capitals</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-382374 Tue, 09 Dec 2025 08:54:05 +0000 chdot 382374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Trump Wants to Build and Sell Kei Cars in America, but Don't Hold Your Breath</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69648141/trump-kei-cars-america-roadblocks/" rel="nofollow">https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a69648141/trump-kei-cars-america-roadblocks/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-380116 Thu, 26 Jun 2025 21:20:24 +0000 gembo 380116@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good idea. Prof Walker is after examples of Motornormativity. The whole idea of SUVs is one.<br /> More specifically, I am very pissed off about Car Transporters to be found right around Waverley Court, </p> <p>I dont even know who to object to. What the feck are they doing in the town centre Just unload on outskirts? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-380100 Thu, 26 Jun 2025 07:35:04 +0000 chdot 380100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/new-york-suv-trucks-weight-based-fee.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/new-york-suv-trucks-weight-based-fee.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-379547 Mon, 05 May 2025 13:20:32 +0000 chdot 379547@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-44-cent-more-likely-be-killed-suvs-313839" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-44-cent-more-likely-be-killed-suvs-313839</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-379194 Sun, 06 Apr 2025 18:28:06 +0000 gembo 379194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Motor normativity wins </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-379177 Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:44:31 +0000 chdot 379177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/04/more-than-1m-cars-sold-in-uk-each-year-too-big-to-fit-typical-parking-space" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/04/more-than-1m-cars-sold-in-uk-each-year-too-big-to-fit-typical-parking-space</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-367498 Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:34:35 +0000 gembo 367498@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Campaign Against Wide Cars won today in little hamlet just north of Firbank which is a little hamlet five miles south of Tebay on the M6. Cumbria. A Landrover Discovery driver had decided to try a very normal road in Terms of normal cars and cyclists and pedestrians off a slightly wider twin tracked road.</p> <p>Much to my extreme chagrin as I was walking up to the smaller hamlet north of the small hamlet of Firbank I was able to spot that the Landrover Discovery driver had got himself stuck on the bridge that was signposted Weak Bridge. Turned out his car was too wide for the road. what a shame. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-364499 Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:07:50 +0000 gembo 364499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spotted a BMW Iseta driving through Newington, in red and white. Three wheels.</p> <p>Have advanced Proptype of The Crusher that narrows cars to two metres though driver and passenger need to sit very still and close Or There will be blood. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-341294 Fri, 04 Dec 2020 20:15:00 +0000 gembo 341294@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mrs Garto had hilarious dream last night during the thunder snow where she bought a car over the phone and it turned out to be very long indeed. Did not even have sensors for reversing and wasn’t an automatic. The vendor declined to take it back apart from the obvious JG Ballard Freudian connotations this dream was also hysterical given my CALC. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336930 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 14:56:04 +0000 crowriver 336930@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson, not sure that's how committing felonies works, TBH.</p> <p>Something clearly happened, but we don't know why. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336926 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:51:00 +0000 acsimpson 336926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tremors came out over 30 years ago and she is still referred to as Finn Carter who stared in Tremors. That's despite a reasonably length list of films I have never heard of being release since. I guess something in her finally snapped and she wanted her name in the headlines again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336916 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 11:36:54 +0000 I were right about that saddle 336916@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An elegant back-pedal. And bonus points for the Tremors mention. True fact: the sexy seismologist was arrested for having stolen credit cards in a stolen two-axle car and is not doing so well these days. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336915 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 11:00:49 +0000 acsimpson 336915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You caught me out on that one. I based my statement on Tremors but perhaps the terrestrial version is different. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336909 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 08:52:27 +0000 I were right about that saddle 336909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Dune worms have no axles</em></p> <p>Reference required, dude. Reference <em>re-quired</em>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336908 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 08:48:12 +0000 wingpig 336908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Could you not consider a worm's long axis it's axis for mathematical purposes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336907 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 08:20:32 +0000 I were right about that saddle 336907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gembo Atreides later known as Gembo Muad'Dib (I checked the spelling this time.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336905 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 21:59:15 +0000 gembo 336905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Iwrats -Paul Atreides?</p> <p>Or</p> <p>What you talkin about Willis? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336904 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 21:55:40 +0000 I were right about that saddle 336904@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gembo Muad Dib! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336903 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 21:28:09 +0000 acsimpson 336903@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dune worms have no axles so that's either infinite load or none at all depending on how you write the policy.</p> <p>I struggle to see how wear and tear isn't increased by reducing tyre contact patch area. What would be the point of 4 tyre axles otherwise. Could there be an assumption in the original paper that all vehicles had the same tyre size? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336900 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 20:11:31 +0000 gembo 336900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@nonrakes, thanks for spicing up this thread. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336892 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 19:31:46 +0000 nobrakes 336892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would the Dune worms from the other thread fall foul of this campaign, or would they pass on the basis of multiple occupancy? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19496&page=2#post-336890 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:54:12 +0000 I were right about that saddle 336890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>VED should be proportional to the <a href="http://www.cyclelicio.us/2014/fourth-power-rule-road-tax/">fourth power of the axle loading. </a></p> <p>Plus the area, plus the emissions. </p>