http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cyclist hit by lorry in Portobello en Sun, 17 May 2026 16:52:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-378733 Sat, 22 Feb 2025 10:01:06 +0000 Frenchy 378733@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/lorry-driver-acquitted-over-cyclists-death" rel="nofollow">https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/lorry-driver-acquitted-over-cyclists-death</a></p> <p>The driver in the Heather Stronach case has also been acquitted - case was found to be ‘not proven’. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-349305 Wed, 07 Apr 2021 21:54:58 +0000 stiltskin 349305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Once the lorry driver witness said he thought the cyclist would be hard to see and beeped his horn to try and give a warning, I think it was almost certain that there would be an acquittal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-349303 Wed, 07 Apr 2021 21:06:39 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 349303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>:( <a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/truck-driver-cleared-causing-edinburgh-20338477" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/truck-driver-cleared-causing-edinburgh-20338477</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347301 Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:57:17 +0000 toomanybikes 347301@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Who cycles up Lady Road and thinks we need more option 1a around the city. Cars shooting up your inside and outside protected only by paint. (someone who never cycles you assume)</p> <p>Lady Road particularly nasty as the far side of the junction is a pinch point, and you have to take the lane, which I don't think would be the case here.</p> <p>To what extent does the modeling of displaced traffic take traffic evaporation into account? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347295 Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:48:19 +0000 Mandopicker101 347295@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Feels awfully like the Kings Road junction has been firmly put in the 'too difficult/too expensive/cannae do it' box. I wonder whether those signing this off possess first-hand experience of cycling through the junction at peak times. But nice big signs always help. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347291 Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:42:15 +0000 crowriver 347291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, no infrastructure for cyclists but a bit of tweaking of road markings, maybe move a pedestrian refuge or two, and some signs. Aye, that'll prevent the next death. Not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347289 Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:23:13 +0000 minus six 347289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>shocking, but factually accurate</p> <p>they don't undertake, they filter </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347287 Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:09:10 +0000 chdot 347287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Cyclists Do Not Undertake warning signs“</p> <p>Really??</p> <p>The fact that can be read two ways is DANGEROUS. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-347285 Wed, 24 Feb 2021 21:45:13 +0000 Stickman 347285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Update on measures to improve safety at the King’s Road junction:</p> <p><a href="http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Kings-Road-Junction-Progress-Update-Feb-2021.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.portobellocc.org/pccpn/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Kings-Road-Junction-Progress-Update-Feb-2021.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-343772 Sun, 10 Jan 2021 21:33:16 +0000 gembo 343772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At least Edith Duncan made no plea</p> <p>John Crowe seems keen to deny things like Whatsapp - why delete that the same day from his phone? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-343770 Sun, 10 Jan 2021 21:21:58 +0000 Stickman 343770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/truck-driver-denies-killing-edinburgh-19597838" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/truck-driver-denies-killing-edinburgh-19597838</a></p> <p><blockquote> Crowe denies causing the death of Stuart Elliott by during an HGV without due care and attention and a failing to carry out mirror checks and failing to observe Stuart Elliott on his bike and colliding with him at Portobello High Street and Sir Harry Lauder Road in Edinburgh on March 13, 2019.</p> <p>The truck driver is also facing allegations of using a mobile phone while driving his vehicle and to intending to pervert the court of justice by deleting the WhatsApp application from his phone on the same date.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-339955 Sun, 08 Nov 2020 23:24:53 +0000 gembo 339955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very sad news tragic loss of a young life. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=4#post-339953 Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:19:07 +0000 edinburgh87 339953@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile in Grangemouth :(</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/tributes-paid-16-year-old-cyclist-killed-road-traffic-collision-3029162" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/tributes-paid-16-year-old-cyclist-killed-road-traffic-collision-3029162</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339854 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:49:36 +0000 jonty 339854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Portobello High Street has reasonable access for along its length, but the opening at this junction just encourages its use as a through route to the A199 when Sir Harry Lauder Road bypasses it just fine. Close off the High Street access to the junction and direct it instead (narrowly) into King's Road. </p> <p>You'd be left with a T-junction with lots of space for pedestrians and cycles and lots of 'traffic flow' headroom to make it pleasant to use. </p> <p>I assume there would be uproar from some quarters but I'm sure the idea of a quieter High Street would find some support, and if it's lodged in the imagination now then it might actually happen in the next decade.</p> <p>edit: you could probably turn some of the antis by explaining it would mean fewer bikes on the prom </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339852 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:27:09 +0000 Rob 339852@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't help but think the closure of the King's Road car park is an opportunity to close it at the top, removing it from this junction and greatly simplifying the situation. Then, the problem is how to allow access to King's Road:</p> <p>* Through Hillcoat, effectively merging King's Road into that estate.<br /> *- they have different bins so maybe an issue for access to make collections?<br /> * Separate junction onto Portobello High Street<br /> *- If the junction were scaled back to standard N/S then E/W phases, removing all the slip roads, islands and hatching there could be space. It wouldn't be the closest residential access to a junction in Edinburgh.<br /> *- Might not even reduce capacity on the junction<br /> *-- Slip roads are blocked at busy times anyway<br /> *-- Removes the King's Road phase<br /> * Behind the houses to Seafield Road<br /> *- Could be done as part of Seafield redevelopment<br /> *- Compromises the active travel route through the former car park, making it more like an LTN road than a dedicated route. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339851 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:26:06 +0000 dessert rat 339851@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>noticed this morning a ghost bike has been installed overnight. Don't think it was there as I pedaled though around 7 last night. </p> <p>Also a sign 'give us space', short and to the point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339849 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:06:51 +0000 urchaidh 339849@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@edinburgh87 Yeah, that's the location. Same junction where Stuart Elliot was killed last March. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339842 Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:16:37 +0000 edinburgh87 339842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi folks - did this awful event happen here?</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@55.9572587,-3.1223,3a,75y,287.25h,86.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLH67dN6FP3s9ah0Y34e2aQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192">Google Maps</a></p> <p>Will contribute my 2c to the TEC as suggested above. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339838 Thu, 05 Nov 2020 23:00:23 +0000 Harts Cyclery 339838@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the contrary, now is precisely the time to be thinking of solutions. If this junction were an aeroplane it would be grounded and the engineers would be ripping one apart looking for the causes of the accident and planning immediate rectification.</p> <p>Meanwhile, thousands of people in vehicles, bicycles and on foot are flowing through that junction everyday. </p> <p>It's not just this junction - there are probably about a dozen similar seas of tarmac in the Council area with unacceptable vulnerability times for cyclists and pedestrians. Utterly unacceptable in 2020. The city has to shoot the traffic flow fox and start designing these junctions for local, active travel journeys first, followed by PT, goods and, finally, private cars.</p> <p>The City Mobility Plan being considered by the TEC on 12 Nov is cause for comfort - it is very encouraging.</p> <p>On the specific point of this week's tragedy, I would encourage you to write to members of the TEC to make sure that something is on the agenda for next week. I'm sure it will be, but make your feelings known. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339767 Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:29:56 +0000 Try Cycle 339767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Closing off that left hand turn at the junction should be considered. It might even have the benefit of reducing some of the traffic that travels through Porty. The obvious objection will be that there's a big building site close by, but they could open a new exit onto Harry Lauder Road easily enough (in theory, in reality it would require long and many consultations).</p> <p>Probably too soon to be looking at solutions while people are still processing this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339763 Wed, 04 Nov 2020 17:54:53 +0000 HankChief 339763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A powerful twitter thread from someone on the scene about the impact it has had on them.</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/EmiFroodie/status/1323946891445444611?s=19" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/EmiFroodie/status/1323946891445444611?s=19</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339719 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 23:34:19 +0000 Stickman 339719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sombre thread from Lesley Macinnes:</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1323751437344624646?s=21" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/1323751437344624646?s=21</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339717 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 22:50:46 +0000 mcairney 339717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rest in Peace. Can't believe that 1) another cyclist has died at that spot because 2) nothing has been done since the last death. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339710 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:48:35 +0000 chdot 339710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Previous Holyrood event -</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10741" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10741</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339709 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:46:26 +0000 chdot 339709@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thread</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/kirstylewin/status/1323663970344046592" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/kirstylewin/status/1323663970344046592</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339708 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:40:42 +0000 chdot 339708@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Perhaps it's too soon to mention”</p> <p>No, already implied upthread </p> <p>“I am wondering now about another minute's silence on that crossroad”</p> <p>My thought was that it should be more than a minute. </p> <p>If it’s deliberately at the same time of day it’s not ‘rush hour’. </p> <p>“In previous tragic instances we have had at least some contact with family or friends so make sure it's something they would sanction or welcome. I wonder if any folk on here might potentially know someone.“</p> <p>Yes</p> <p>There is at least one person on here who lives in Musselburgh. </p> <p>I’m sure something will emerge. </p> <p>There are also CCE people who live in Porty (I think including one/more involved in Porty Spokes). </p> <p><em>My advice</em></p> <p>Assume there will be ‘something’. </p> <p>Presume those CCEers who have done this sort of thing before will be (reluctantly) thinking...</p> <p>Best to do the planning off-forum. </p> <p>IF the family says no, obviously that’s to be respected, but this is a notorious bit of road, which one well known Porty person has had a life damaging experience there. </p> <p>It’s about more than remembering one person - and others who shouldn’t have died - there is clearly a problem here that needs to be dealt with. </p> <p>Additionally, I <em>think</em> the family of the person who was the cause of the Holyrood event have Portobello connections. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339705 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:00:32 +0000 algo 339705@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps it's too soon to mention, but I am wondering now about another minute's silence on that crossroad as we did before - at the moment in these times it's particularly difficult for families given funeral restrictions are so tight and it can be a way for friends to pay their respects. </p> <p>In previous tragic instances we have had at least some contact with family or friends so make sure it's something they would sanction or welcome. I wonder if any folk on here might potentially know someone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339704 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 19:36:30 +0000 gembo 339704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Heart breaking </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339702 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 19:32:11 +0000 paddyirish 339702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Terrible news. All thoughts with the victim's family and friends. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19502&page=3#post-339698 Tue, 03 Nov 2020 18:31:15 +0000 I were right about that saddle 339698@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's the victim named. Heather Stronach.</p> <p><a href="https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/husband-pays-heartbreaking-tribute-cyclist-22951982" rel="nofollow">https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/husband-pays-heartbreaking-tribute-cyclist-22951982</a> </p>