http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: “All new UK cars to have speed limiters by 2022 under EU plans” en Sun, 31 May 2026 12:45:00 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-304043 Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:05:59 +0000 the canuck 304043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm still waiting for someone to explain why we need to be able to speed in order to avoid a collision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303909 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:09:43 +0000 ejstubbs 303909@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"The best speed limiter is the driver's right foot."</em></p> <p>Mr King presumably - and rather strangely - spends very little time on Britain's roads, otherwise he would be well aware that safe and responsible control of their vehicle's speed is a skill sadly lacking in the majority of drivers.</p> <p><em>"...with ISA, there may be a temptation to go at the top speed allowed."</em></p> <p>Of course drivers are <u>never</u> tempted to do that in the present self-regulation regime. Are they?</p> <p>It's all sanctimonious BS. As is so much opinion offered in the 'debate' about speed, speeding, and speed limits. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303886 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:20:21 +0000 neddie 303886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The problem is, it's "too late" after the crash. The speeding vehicle has already done the intimidating of vulnerable road users by then.</p> <p>Plus, the Police can already infer vehicle speeds after crashes, even today - using indicators like skid marks, CCTV, etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303880 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:30:07 +0000 acsimpson 303880@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>neddie, It's not great but I wonder how insurance would handle it. Given the car would also be recording details for use in the event of a crash it would be a matter of fact that the driver had willingly circumvented a safety system along with speed at time of incident. My optimistic view is that an insurance company would deny liability in such circumstances rendering drivers entirely liable for damage caused. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303876 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:21:16 +0000 neddie 303876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also, why is the BBC article in the "Business" section and not in the "Tech" section?</p> <p>It's almost as if speeding were fundamental to the operation of business. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303875 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:11:44 +0000 neddie 303875@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>BBC article: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47715415" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47715415</a></p> <p>Some nice straw-man arguments from the president of the AA. Let us not forget why the AA were formed in the first place: their whole raison d'être was to warn motorists of speed traps.</p> <p><em>AA president Edmund King said there was no doubt that new in-car technology could save lives, adding there was "a good case" for autonomous emergency braking to be fitted in all cars.</p> <p>"When it comes to intelligent speed adaptation, the case is not so clear," he said. "The best speed limiter is the driver's right foot.</p> <p>"The right speed is often below the speed limit - for example, outside a school with children about - but with ISA, there may be a temptation to go at the top speed allowed."</p> <p>Mr King added: "Dodgem cars are all fitted with speed limiters, but they still seem to crash."</em></p> <p>So basically, with a speed limiter fitted, people are more likely to speed outside schools... Yeah, right... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303872 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:51:51 +0000 neddie 303872@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A full on/off switch for the [speed limiter] system is also envisaged, but this would lapse every time the vehicle is restarted</em></p> <p>Oh dear, that's not good. A complete sop.</p> <p>What's the first thing someone who habitually speeds will do when they get in the car?</p> <p>1. Press clutch or check gear in neutral.<br /> 2. Start engine.<br /> 3. Switch off speed limiter.</p> <p>Item 3 will become as "automatic" as item 1. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303850 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:30:03 +0000 wee folding bike 303850@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think I’ve already got one. It cuts in at 131 mph. I’ve not checked. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19534#post-303843 Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:47:19 +0000 chdot 303843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-new-uk-cars-to-have-speed-limiters-by-2022-under-eu-plans" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-new-uk-cars-to-have-speed-limiters-by-2022-under-eu-plans</a> </p>