http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Science Festival (tonight): Time for a new economic model? en Wed, 24 Jun 2026 06:21:27 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304677 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 12:02:54 +0000 chdot 304677@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Maybe we should all be looking to draw up a new map, not expecting someone to give us one to follow.”</p> <p>New thread please. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304674 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:54:37 +0000 unhurt 304674@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also 3D Ocean Farming is the single coolest thing I've heard about this year! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304673 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:53:13 +0000 unhurt 304673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I didn't go expecting a road map in a 1 hour talk that was pitched at a general audience. And I thought that much more interesting than the corporate examples were the bits about mindset change - especially the need to aim for regenerative not merely "less bad" systems. The kernel of it all is there : its not just about developing economies finding a circular economy route to "have what we have" it's finding a future where they can leapfrog to something better.</p> <p>Maybe we should all be looking to draw up a new map, not expecting someone to give us one to follow.</p> <p>Dismantling extractive consumer capitalism that treats the planet and all other life (and quite a lot of human life) as an externality does seem a necessary prerequisite mind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304671 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:30:37 +0000 I were right about that saddle 304671@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mr Monbiot has the answer I hear;</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00042g3/frankie-boyles-new-world-order-series-3-episode-3" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00042g3/frankie-boyles-new-world-order-series-3-episode-3</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304668 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 10:49:20 +0000 chdot 304668@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“but scarcely a word about the really hard question - how to get there from here”</p> <p>Yeah it’s a real problem. </p> <p>As in -</p> <p>Fine to believe in Climate Change, set targets etc. but plan for more cars - as long as they are electric, so more roads etc. </p> <p>Clearly not just a UK problem, but here politicians/people are consumed by one issue/obsession that essentially is both a sideshow in itself and as a ‘plan for the future’, completely lacking. </p> <p>Doesn’t matter if ‘it’ll be fine really’ - more of the same is hardly a rational way forward. </p> <p>If it turns out to be a disaster requiring more unthought-through decisions and actions then just another ‘reason’ to avoid dealing with bigger problems. </p> <p>Seems most people aren’t really prepared to contemplate significant change. Generally it’s things that happen to other people, and other parts of the world. </p> <p>Etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304662 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:58:00 +0000 Colonies_Chris 304662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I went with high hopes but it was really a bit of a waste of time. Warm words about the benefits of a circular economy, and its parallels with the way Nature works, and a few examples of emerging technology and farming techniques that improve on current methods, but scarcely a word about the really hard question - how to get there from here. I was hoping for some sort of outline road map for a transition from a linear waste economy to a circular economy, but virtually nothing was said about that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304625 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:03:51 +0000 unhurt 304625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304623 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:00:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 304623@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304621 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:24:00 +0000 unhurt 304621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS Hmm. <em>You</em> are a living system - are you engaged in an internal internecine struggle to the death? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304612 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:32:12 +0000 chdot 304612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_There">Chance takes his cue from the words "stimulate growth" and talks about the changing seasons of the garden. </p> <p>The President misinterprets this as optimistic political advic</a></p> <p>“ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304611 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:16:47 +0000 I were right about that saddle 304611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Imagine if we redesigned the economy so that it took insights from living systems. </em></p> <p>Constant internecine murderous struggle to the death? Errrr....I'd look elsewhere for economic ideas. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19557#post-304608 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:56:16 +0000 unhurt 304608@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll be at this - maybe see some of you there?</p> <p><a href="https://www.sciencefestival.co.uk/event-details/time-for-a-new-economic-model">Time for a New Economic Model?</a></p> <p><em>Thursday 11 April 20:00 @ The Pleasance<br /> Imagine if we redesigned the economy so that it took insights from living systems. This economic model would concentrate on creating effective flows of resources and information, on regenerating the biosphere, of turning waste into food. This is the promise of a circular economy: an economic model that's restorative and regenerative by design. Discover why governments, major corporates, universities and citizen groups are all excited about a circular economy.</em></p> <p>I am suspicious of "major corporates" but hey.</p> <p>(Btw, web page says the lift has broken and won't be working tonight.) </p>